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7147 messages,  Last post on Dec 05, 2009 at 5:13 PM

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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Forum Creation [chelentano] by ateixeira
Nov 05, 2009 (2:28 pm)
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Replying to: chelentano (Nov 05, 2009 2:10 pm)

Promise?
 
The OP asked about the Forester and the Santa Fe, I don't know how we got on the Outlander. My response was on topic.
 
I'm fine with moving the posts there - that's where this belonged once the Outlander was brought in. In fact I suggest from now on, in any thread, when chelentano wants to recommend the SUV he did not buy that he link to there instead.
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Re: Forum Creation [ateixeira] by steve_ HOST
Nov 05, 2009 (4:37 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 05, 2009 2:28 pm)

Ah, the Forester and the Outlander have been in the category list for a while here, so y'all aren't off topic. But there are other CUVs to yak about too.
 
Like the Accord Crosstour.
 
/hint
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Re: Forum Creation [steve_] by ateixeira
Nov 05, 2009 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 05, 2009 4:37 pm)

It's hard to ignore that styling. It looks like a pregnant Accord. Plus, the AWD model starts at $34,730 (EX-L), which is steep.
 
An H6 Outback Ltd runs about $3k less, at $31.7k. It's a tad smaller, but probably the best value of the 3.
 
As usual, Toyota gives you 1,000 a-la-carte optinos. Venza V6 AWD, add Comfort Package for heated leather seats and EJ sound for 6CD/Bluetooth, then SR for the sunroof, and you get $34,240. IMHO it's the best looking of the bunch. Haven't driven it yet but I've heard the huge wheels give it a brittle ride, odd for a Toyota.
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Re: Forum Creation [ateixeira] by tenpin288
Nov 05, 2009 (7:19 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 05, 2009 5:59 pm)

Funny you should mention the Venza. There is a review and story over on msnbc.com that is somewhat less than flattering about the Venza and Toyota in general.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33605151/ns/business-autos/
 
In short, here is what they have to say about the Venza:
 
Pros: Comfortable ride, superlative fuel economy for its size, the brand name that makes grizzled baby boomers behave like irrational adolescents
 
Cons: Insultingly cheap interior, lousy steering, useless automatic headlights
 
Verdict: Toyota is off its game and needs to refocus on giving customers more than they expect rather than thinking they won’t notice that they are being shortchanged.

 
 
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Re: Forum Creation [tenpin288] by ateixeira
Nov 06, 2009 (8:28 am)
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Replying to: tenpin288 (Nov 05, 2009 7:19 pm)

That's very significant - it means Toyota cut their advertising budget on MSNBC.
 
Just kidding.
 
I was under the impression that the ride was not good. Maybe they tested a model with smaller rims?
 
Also, the interior looks fine to me. It has a padded dash and far better materials than what you'd find in, for instance, the RAV4. Maybe they have much higher expectations in that price range?
 
I'm not surprised about the steering - my Sienna is number than my Wii-mote. The weight is right, but there is zero feedback.
 
Also, I do think that the mere volume of production Toyota has can make quality control suffer.
 
I thought that review was pretty harsh. And how old is that article? He compares it to Pacifica and Taurus X. Venza doesn't even offer a 3rd row.
 
CR gave it a pretty good score overall, but the Outback scored higher (even though they tested the 4 cylinder OB).
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Re: Forum Creation [ateixeira] by chelentano
Nov 09, 2009 (1:16 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 05, 2009 2:28 pm)

>> The OP asked about the Forester and the Santa Fe, I don't know how we got on the Outlander. My response was on topic.
 
My response was on topic too. Post 7060: user yvr1 posted:
"...Forester is the best of the bunch when it comes to compact SUV's... Can anyone persuade me otherwise?"
 
So I responded:
"That’s easy. The 2010 Mitsubishi Outlander GT is a much better crossover then Forester... " then I listed my points why.
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Re: Forum Creation [chelentano] by ateixeira
Nov 09, 2009 (1:24 pm)
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Replying to: chelentano (Nov 09, 2009 1:16 pm)

Let's move on...I already have.
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2011 explorer and 2011 grand cherokee by jayrider
Nov 16, 2009 (8:50 am)
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Anyone heard reviews on these updated models. Will definitely visit the showrooms when they debut.
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IIHS' 2010 Top Safety Picks by ateixeira
Nov 18, 2009 (12:24 pm)
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http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr111809.html
 
Midsize SUVs
Dodge Journey
Subaru Tribeca
Volvo XC60
Volvo XC90
 
Small SUVs
Honda Element
Jeep Patriot with optional side torso airbags
Subaru Forester
Volkswagen Tiguan

 
The list shrunk substantially because this year they added the roof strength test as a requirement to make it.
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Re: IIHS' 2010 Top Safety Picks [ateixeira] by thegraduate
Nov 18, 2009 (1:17 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 18, 2009 12:24 pm)

Interesting that the Element (an old design by this segment's standards) gets a top-pick while the CR-V does not.

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