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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Veracruz [cumadogg] by arumage
Jan 30, 2007 (5:06 am)
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Replying to: cumadogg (Jan 30, 2007 12:11 am)

The current estimate is April at the latest. The same thing happened with the Santa Fe. Alot of dealers had no idea when these things were coming in.
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A dark horse by music287
Jan 30, 2007 (6:12 am)
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We have a CX-9 GT on its way from Tacoma to Cleveland as I write but, we've never seen one in the flesh. We have the right of refusal, btw. We feel we got a good deal ($700 over invoice.) I just compared the interior/exterior specs with...the Pacifica using the published data in their respective brochures. I don't know but, the PAC is back in the running because in many specs it exceeds the Mazda. It has a new engine and tranny, it has heated captain's seats in the 2nd row, it has a PLG available right now, and it has bluetooth, rear camera, very similar 3rd row specs, available hid xenons and, as far as I can tell, only one negative: slightly less space behind the 3rd row. Here's the kicker: It's about $5K less money.
 
What am I missing here? I may spend some of the loot on a Chrysler extended warranty and laugh all the way to the bank. Hmm...
 
Jay
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Re: A dark horse [music287] by arumage
Jan 30, 2007 (6:31 am)
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Replying to: music287 (Jan 30, 2007 6:12 am)

I can tell you that the CX-9 is just as sweet looking in person as it is in the pictures. Third row room is better in the CX-9, including headroom. My wish is that I could fit back there with enough headroom, which I can't in either the Pacifica and CX-9. I might be asking to much. Since I haven't seen the Veracruz, the only vehicles to do this so far are the Acadia, Outlook, and Santa Fe. With all things equal to the CX-9, the Pacifica is $38k (but it has a moonroof included in that). Does that $5k include deals?
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Re: A dark horse [music287] by 07xle
Jan 30, 2007 (8:37 am)
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Replying to: music287 (Jan 30, 2007 6:12 am)

Pacifica has lousy mileage and requires PREMIUM fuel.
 
Freestyle is just a station wagon at this point.
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Re: Dark Horse by music287
Jan 30, 2007 (8:59 am)
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Not true, 07xe. Pacifica 4.0 uses RUG. EPA is 16/22 for the CX-9 awd and 16/23 for the PAC awd. Also: rear headroom for both is listed as 39.4". As I said, the PAC is looking more interesting. FYI, my dealer, whom I've bought three other cars from over the years, offered $100 above invoice on the PAC. There's currently a $1500 rebate; I know it's been as high as $2500, btw. This brings a loaded Touring Signature in at about $5K less than the Mazda.
 
As I wrote: Hmmm...
 
Jay
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Re: Dark Horse [music287] by fromsf
Jan 30, 2007 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: music287 (Jan 30, 2007 8:59 am)

Remember PAC (Dodge/Chrsyler) has worst resale value and it's six seater if I am correct.
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Re: Comparisons [arumage] by stevedebi
Jan 30, 2007 (9:05 am)
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Replying to: arumage (Jan 30, 2007 5:05 am)

"Actually, with all the same options, the Freestyle is just under $36k and doesn't include a premium stereo option, power liftgate, turn signals on the mirrors, etc."
 
The Limited includes the Audiophile stereo upgrade. I realize that the MSRP is as you state, but I have seen many people posting deals at 32K - or less - for a Limited FreeStyle. Many of the other brands are not available at a discount.
 
I get about 25 MPG on the freeway, 20 - 21 in town, and I have no problems with the performance. I would be rather shocked if any of the others got near this MPG.
 
To each his own, I suppose.
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Re: Dark Horse [music287] by stevedebi
Jan 30, 2007 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: music287 (Jan 30, 2007 8:59 am)

"EPA is 16/22 for the CX-9 awd and 16/23 for the PAC awd. "
 
Not to compare performance, but that vehicle will yield you 14 MPG in town and 20 on the road. I get 20 / 25 on my Freestyle, with great room inside and performance that is fine (in my opinion) for a family vehicle.
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Re: Comparisons [stevedebi] by arumage
Jan 30, 2007 (9:30 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Jan 30, 2007 9:05 am)

If people are getting those deals, you are still comparing apples and oranges. For most performance between these will be negligible, but it takes a lot more grunt from the engine to get the Freestyle moving. Audiophile? An aftermarket head unit has more wattage to 4 channels. Let's see the specs:
 
Freestyle 7 speakers 190 watts
Veracruz 10 speakers 605 watts
Acadia 10 speakers with 5.1 ? watts
 
I wouldn't be shocked if anyone got the EPA mileage if they'd keep their lead foot off of the accellerator. I've never had a problem getting the mileage out of any of the vehicles I've owned. The point is moot anyway because I need atleast 3000 lbs of towing for my lawnmover (heavy trailer, commercial zero turn mower). The current Freestyle can't do that, and frankly, I'm not impressed with the boxy wagon look. The Pacifica does the wagon/suv look much better.
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Re: Dark Horse [stevedebi] by arumage
Jan 30, 2007 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Jan 30, 2007 9:08 am)

The Freestyle AWD is rated 19/24. By your calculations, you should be getting 17/22. You are still providing biased comparisons of gas mileage. If you like your Freestyle, I'm happy for you, but IMHO there are better vehicles to be had right now. Maybe, Ford will improve upon the Freestyle's vehicle dynamics. I know it gets a significant horsepower bump which will also decrease its EPA numbers.

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