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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Veracruz by cumadogg
Jan 30, 2007 (12:11 am)
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Does anyone know what the final HP ratings will be on the Veracruz and when they will be at dealers. My local dealer had NO idea (not a good sign)
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Re: Comparisons [stevedebi] by arumage
Jan 30, 2007 (5:05 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Jan 29, 2007 4:53 pm)

Actually, with all the same options, the Freestyle is just under $36k and doesn't include a premium stereo option, power liftgate, turn signals on the mirrors, etc. The Freestyle also has the worst interior, least features, least power, and worst performance. Gas mileage is now also negligible. $38k for the Hyundai included a speculatory nav system were they to offer it. The Acadia is still $2k more expensive for a fully loaded model. It also doesn't offer features such as rain sensing wipers, push button start (with the keys in your pocket), keyless entry (without ever touching your keys), and the stereo lacks a couple hundred watts in comparison. It may price up quick, but the Veracruz Limited base package looks like it will be $4k cheaper for the same options.
 
I almost forgot the CX-9. The CX-9, without moonroof because of rear entertainment, is a little over $39k. It has 20" wheels which offsets the price of a moonroof. It also has a backup camera and bluetooth. It's really not a bad deal in comparison to the others... but it felt so much smaller than it was on the inside IMHO
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Re: Veracruz [cumadogg] by arumage
Jan 30, 2007 (5:06 am)
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Replying to: cumadogg (Jan 30, 2007 12:11 am)

The current estimate is April at the latest. The same thing happened with the Santa Fe. Alot of dealers had no idea when these things were coming in.
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A dark horse by music287
Jan 30, 2007 (6:12 am)
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We have a CX-9 GT on its way from Tacoma to Cleveland as I write but, we've never seen one in the flesh. We have the right of refusal, btw. We feel we got a good deal ($700 over invoice.) I just compared the interior/exterior specs with...the Pacifica using the published data in their respective brochures. I don't know but, the PAC is back in the running because in many specs it exceeds the Mazda. It has a new engine and tranny, it has heated captain's seats in the 2nd row, it has a PLG available right now, and it has bluetooth, rear camera, very similar 3rd row specs, available hid xenons and, as far as I can tell, only one negative: slightly less space behind the 3rd row. Here's the kicker: It's about $5K less money.
 
What am I missing here? I may spend some of the loot on a Chrysler extended warranty and laugh all the way to the bank. Hmm...
 
Jay
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Re: A dark horse [music287] by arumage
Jan 30, 2007 (6:31 am)
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Replying to: music287 (Jan 30, 2007 6:12 am)

I can tell you that the CX-9 is just as sweet looking in person as it is in the pictures. Third row room is better in the CX-9, including headroom. My wish is that I could fit back there with enough headroom, which I can't in either the Pacifica and CX-9. I might be asking to much. Since I haven't seen the Veracruz, the only vehicles to do this so far are the Acadia, Outlook, and Santa Fe. With all things equal to the CX-9, the Pacifica is $38k (but it has a moonroof included in that). Does that $5k include deals?
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Re: A dark horse [music287] by 07xle
Jan 30, 2007 (8:37 am)
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Replying to: music287 (Jan 30, 2007 6:12 am)

Pacifica has lousy mileage and requires PREMIUM fuel.
 
Freestyle is just a station wagon at this point.
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Re: Dark Horse by music287
Jan 30, 2007 (8:59 am)
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Not true, 07xe. Pacifica 4.0 uses RUG. EPA is 16/22 for the CX-9 awd and 16/23 for the PAC awd. Also: rear headroom for both is listed as 39.4". As I said, the PAC is looking more interesting. FYI, my dealer, whom I've bought three other cars from over the years, offered $100 above invoice on the PAC. There's currently a $1500 rebate; I know it's been as high as $2500, btw. This brings a loaded Touring Signature in at about $5K less than the Mazda.
 
As I wrote: Hmmm...
 
Jay
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Re: Dark Horse [music287] by fromsf
Jan 30, 2007 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: music287 (Jan 30, 2007 8:59 am)

Remember PAC (Dodge/Chrsyler) has worst resale value and it's six seater if I am correct.
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Re: Comparisons [arumage] by stevedebi
Jan 30, 2007 (9:05 am)
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Replying to: arumage (Jan 30, 2007 5:05 am)

"Actually, with all the same options, the Freestyle is just under $36k and doesn't include a premium stereo option, power liftgate, turn signals on the mirrors, etc."
 
The Limited includes the Audiophile stereo upgrade. I realize that the MSRP is as you state, but I have seen many people posting deals at 32K - or less - for a Limited FreeStyle. Many of the other brands are not available at a discount.
 
I get about 25 MPG on the freeway, 20 - 21 in town, and I have no problems with the performance. I would be rather shocked if any of the others got near this MPG.
 
To each his own, I suppose.
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Re: Dark Horse [music287] by stevedebi
Jan 30, 2007 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: music287 (Jan 30, 2007 8:59 am)

"EPA is 16/22 for the CX-9 awd and 16/23 for the PAC awd. "
 
Not to compare performance, but that vehicle will yield you 14 MPG in town and 20 on the road. I get 20 / 25 on my Freestyle, with great room inside and performance that is fine (in my opinion) for a family vehicle.

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