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#7316 of 7355 Re: how about... [ateixeira]
May 07, 2013 (1:27 pm)
My wife drives the Escape. I traded the '11 Explorer for a Fusion. Both have the 2.0 ecoboost.
My wife thinks it's down a little low end power from the 3.0 V6 in the '09.
Power in both seem more than adequate. I probably would have been ok with the 1.6, but I wanted all the toys, or at least most of them.
I still have the '02 Explorer.
#7317 of 7355 Re: how about... [explorerx4]
May 07, 2013 (1:41 pm)
I drove an Escape with the 2.0 ecoboost. Didn't have the low end torque of our V6 Outlander but It revved quickly and smooth with no noticeable turbo lag. Handled and rode nice, too. Steering reminded me of my Dad's 2012 Focus, a compact car I really like.
#7318 of 7355 Re: how about... [toomanyfumes]
May 09, 2013 (4:38 pm)
We seem to be going in that direction, so I expect more small turbos in many segments.
#7319 of 7355 Re: how about... [ateixeira]
May 09, 2013 (6:29 pm)
My '10 Outlander GT AWD V6 is EPA rated 17/24. For 2013 the AWD V6 GT is 19/25 with no major redesign. I'm guessing it's engine & trans programming as weight is about the same and engine size & power and trans # of gears is unchanged.
Funny, though, the '13 Santa Fe Sport (new name as the Veracruz is now the regular Santa Fe) with the 2.0T only gets 19/24 in AWD guise. And it's 50 pounds lighter than the Outlander.
So small turbo isn't always better.
#7320 of 7355 Re: how about... [fushigi]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
May 09, 2013 (6:44 pm)
Our 2011 X3 is rated at 19/25.. 230 HP and 8-speed automatic
#7321 of 7355 Re: how about... [fushigi]
May 10, 2013 (9:42 am)
CR was saying the same thing, the smaller turbos seem to fool the EPA in most cases, but the real world numbers aren't always as good as you'd think.
The turbo makes more power in your example, but is not as linear in the delivery of that power.
My NC Miata has a 2l engine and rumors have the ND getting a 1.3-1.4l turbo. Not sure how I feel about that. It just wouldn't be nearly as responsive.
#7322 of 7355 Re: how about... [kyfdx]
May 10, 2013 (9:43 am)
I'd pick the straight-6, too. The 2.0T may be more fuel efficient but it's rough, and the stop/start features in particular needs a lot of refining. This was on a 3 series sedan, FWIW.
I'm sure they'll refine it in the next year or two. It needs it, though.
#7323 of 7355 Re: how about... [ateixeira]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
May 10, 2013 (1:19 pm)
Starting with 2013 model, the 2.0 Turbo is standard.... I'm glad we have the straight-6..
#7324 of 7355 Re: how about... [fushigi]
May 10, 2013 (3:39 pm)
I was reading about the '14 Outlander in a magazine, and it looks like they will still offer the GT model with the 3.0 V6. That could be the deciding factor in purchasing another, we really like that drivetrain.
#7325 of 7355 Re: how about... [toomanyfumes]
May 10, 2013 (7:59 pm)
I like it as well, and since the '14 Outlander has shed some weight fuel econ should be even more improved. Numbers haven't been published that I've seen but I'd expect 20/26 at a minimum.
That said, the PHEV model is what I'll be tracking. The Chicago area consistently has some of the most expensive gas in the country while also having some of the cheaper electricity rates.