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#7313 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [toomanyfumes]
May 06, 2013 (3:19 pm)
Not digging the looks of the new Outlander..
Seems like most automakers are styling for the "Sport" in SUV while Mitsu is stepping back & going more for the "Utility".
I'm also not super fond of the new styling but I can live with it as long as the rest of the vehicle meets or exceeds my expectations. I'm looking at the PHEV version.
Though it'll probably be a few years before I buy as my '10 Outlander GT has yet to roll 30K miles.
May 06, 2013 (4:52 pm)
Comparing the same vehicle, but different generations?
We have '04, '09, and '13 Escapes.
All are pretty much top of the line models, either Limited or Titanium.
Starting out with the '04, it has about 110k on it. 4WD, 200 hp 3.0 V6, Leather heated front seats, power moon roof, upgraded sound system.
Noisy on the highway, but tracks very well. Pretty trouble free, one wheel bearing (replaced under warranty), a rear parking sensor replaced under warranty, and air bag light has flashed a couple of times. First time fixed under warranty, second time both harnesses under the front seats were replaced for around $300.
Has a slight oil leak, dealer wants $900 to fix.
Original Continental tires were horrible (16 inch), and replaced at 25k with Goodyear triple treads, much better.
Front rotors/pads replaced 50k, still original rear drums.
Overall fuel mileage a bit over 19.
'09 is also a Limited model. About 60k on it. AWD, 240 hp 3.0.V6, Leather heated front seats, power moon roof, upgraded sound system and factory NAV/SYNC.
'Leather' seems to be of softer quality than '04. Both have held up well.
Left front half shaft leak fixed under warranty.
Still on the original Michelin tires with plenty of tread left.
Overall quieter than the '04, but not quiet.
Front brake pads replaced 55k and rear drums still original.
Overall fuel miles about 21.5.
'13 Titanium has just over 7k on it. AWD, 230+ hp 2.0 I4. It has pretty much everything including self parking. 1 oil change/tire rotation so far.
NVH is much improved from the other 2, even thought is has 19 inch Continental tires.
Mileage is a tick higher than the '09 despite no long trips.
That will change over the summer.
The previous 2 models are more space efficient due to their boxy shape, but can't compete in the tech or refinement. Once we take a road trip, the mileage will be better with the '13, too.
#7315 of 7355 Re: how about... [explorerx4]
May 07, 2013 (6:45 am)
I thought you sold your late model Explorer, was it a trade?
How's the 2l before boost kicks in? Is it still responsive enough? I thought that engine didn't come with AWD?
Sorry for all the questions. My buddy here at work got a 3.7l V6 model, traded a Range Rover Sport for it (too $$$ operating costs).
#7316 of 7355 Re: how about... [ateixeira]
May 07, 2013 (1:27 pm)
My wife drives the Escape. I traded the '11 Explorer for a Fusion. Both have the 2.0 ecoboost.
My wife thinks it's down a little low end power from the 3.0 V6 in the '09.
Power in both seem more than adequate. I probably would have been ok with the 1.6, but I wanted all the toys, or at least most of them.
I still have the '02 Explorer.
#7317 of 7355 Re: how about... [explorerx4]
May 07, 2013 (1:41 pm)
I drove an Escape with the 2.0 ecoboost. Didn't have the low end torque of our V6 Outlander but It revved quickly and smooth with no noticeable turbo lag. Handled and rode nice, too. Steering reminded me of my Dad's 2012 Focus, a compact car I really like.
#7318 of 7355 Re: how about... [toomanyfumes]
May 09, 2013 (4:38 pm)
We seem to be going in that direction, so I expect more small turbos in many segments.
#7319 of 7355 Re: how about... [ateixeira]
May 09, 2013 (6:29 pm)
My '10 Outlander GT AWD V6 is EPA rated 17/24. For 2013 the AWD V6 GT is 19/25 with no major redesign. I'm guessing it's engine & trans programming as weight is about the same and engine size & power and trans # of gears is unchanged.
Funny, though, the '13 Santa Fe Sport (new name as the Veracruz is now the regular Santa Fe) with the 2.0T only gets 19/24 in AWD guise. And it's 50 pounds lighter than the Outlander.
So small turbo isn't always better.
#7320 of 7355 Re: how about... [fushigi]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
May 09, 2013 (6:44 pm)
Our 2011 X3 is rated at 19/25.. 230 HP and 8-speed automatic
#7321 of 7355 Re: how about... [fushigi]
May 10, 2013 (9:42 am)
CR was saying the same thing, the smaller turbos seem to fool the EPA in most cases, but the real world numbers aren't always as good as you'd think.
The turbo makes more power in your example, but is not as linear in the delivery of that power.
My NC Miata has a 2l engine and rumors have the ND getting a 1.3-1.4l turbo. Not sure how I feel about that. It just wouldn't be nearly as responsive.