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GMC Acadia, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV
#7308 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [steve_]
May 06, 2013 (10:10 am)
Actually rented in Reno and returned at Las Vegas. Reserved the car months in advance and got a really good deal. I reserved to get a mid size sedan (Fusion, Camry, Malibu etc. size} Deske agent tried to put us in a Spark but I protested based on what I had reserved. Finally he hemmed and hawed and put us in the Rav4.
#7309 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [badgerfan]
May 06, 2013 (10:30 am)
You are the one that introduced the Taurus and Mini Van into the conversation.
I did not, say and am not speaking of "RUGGED" off road use.
A while back we attended a huge arts and crafts festival. We had to park in a grassy field in a slight hill, so there were terraces. The sedans were scraping as they went over them. Most SUVs didn't. To add insult to injury it drizzled rain for a few minutes while we were there, and the grass on the parking field became slick. Nothing "RUGGED" about that, but many sedans with their low plush ride couldn't deal with the terraces and slick grass. Our '03 CR-V 4wd was parked on the lowest part of the field and came out without any problem.
I don't even know if it ever engaged the rear wheels to drive, as it is all totally automatic.
That type of scenario would also apply to snow. Low slung vehicles that necessarily lean (wallow) in corners resulting from soft suspension can cause serious problems in snow conditions. Of course if you wish to spend a ton of money there are some cars that ride great and go around corners flat.
However there must be some reason that you rented a 4WD and possibly the same reason there may be a small SUV to replace the Taurus in your mind.
And yes, unless it is an SHO, it leans a great deal in corners when compared to a stiffer sprung vehicle.
I agree with "thegraduate" put the control in "Recirculate" and that will likely stop outside air from coming through the vents.
Unless you get an upscale model of any SUV, the seat may not be adjustable to your liking. SUVs, by design, have a higher center of gravity than a passenger sedan, resulting from more ground clearance. So there will be more felt motion. They also ride stiffer as most folks, that either have them or have spent some time in them, know.
Good luck with your search!
#7310 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [kipk]
May 06, 2013 (11:03 am)
I did not "introduce the Taurus and minivan" into this conversation. I only provided that information as background information about myself.
And, once again you will note that I never complained about the Rav4's handling or ride characteristics, which I thought were acceptable.
My critique about the Rav4's shortcomings could apply to nearly any vehicle as they were mostly seat comfort and ergonomics related, not vehicle category related.
I do take issue with your statement about handling of non SHO tauri of my car's generation. My Taurus does not lean considerably in any turns. It is much more stable, even to the point of providing a stiffer ride than most sedans, which is one reason I bought it in the first place.
#7311 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [badgerfan]
May 06, 2013 (2:22 pm)
Madison's a cool town, I 'm south of of Milwaukee but try to get over there a couple times a year. I really like the hatch on our Outlander, with the top part swinging up, and the bottom flips down, you can use it for a seat, or longer cargo. Not digging the looks of the new Outlander, I'd like to keep our '07 for winter use for me, and get the wife something else. I drove a new Escape, pretty nice but a little tight I rear seat room. I might check out the new Rav4, but we may go with something a little bigger like an Edge.
#7313 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [toomanyfumes]
May 06, 2013 (3:19 pm)
Not digging the looks of the new Outlander..
Seems like most automakers are styling for the "Sport" in SUV while Mitsu is stepping back & going more for the "Utility".
I'm also not super fond of the new styling but I can live with it as long as the rest of the vehicle meets or exceeds my expectations. I'm looking at the PHEV version.
Though it'll probably be a few years before I buy as my '10 Outlander GT has yet to roll 30K miles.
May 06, 2013 (4:52 pm)
Comparing the same vehicle, but different generations?
We have '04, '09, and '13 Escapes.
All are pretty much top of the line models, either Limited or Titanium.
Starting out with the '04, it has about 110k on it. 4WD, 200 hp 3.0 V6, Leather heated front seats, power moon roof, upgraded sound system.
Noisy on the highway, but tracks very well. Pretty trouble free, one wheel bearing (replaced under warranty), a rear parking sensor replaced under warranty, and air bag light has flashed a couple of times. First time fixed under warranty, second time both harnesses under the front seats were replaced for around $300.
Has a slight oil leak, dealer wants $900 to fix.
Original Continental tires were horrible (16 inch), and replaced at 25k with Goodyear triple treads, much better.
Front rotors/pads replaced 50k, still original rear drums.
Overall fuel mileage a bit over 19.
'09 is also a Limited model. About 60k on it. AWD, 240 hp 3.0.V6, Leather heated front seats, power moon roof, upgraded sound system and factory NAV/SYNC.
'Leather' seems to be of softer quality than '04. Both have held up well.
Left front half shaft leak fixed under warranty.
Still on the original Michelin tires with plenty of tread left.
Overall quieter than the '04, but not quiet.
Front brake pads replaced 55k and rear drums still original.
Overall fuel miles about 21.5.
'13 Titanium has just over 7k on it. AWD, 230+ hp 2.0 I4. It has pretty much everything including self parking. 1 oil change/tire rotation so far.
NVH is much improved from the other 2, even thought is has 19 inch Continental tires.
Mileage is a tick higher than the '09 despite no long trips.
That will change over the summer.
The previous 2 models are more space efficient due to their boxy shape, but can't compete in the tech or refinement. Once we take a road trip, the mileage will be better with the '13, too.
#7315 of 7355 Re: how about... [explorerx4]
May 07, 2013 (6:45 am)
I thought you sold your late model Explorer, was it a trade?
How's the 2l before boost kicks in? Is it still responsive enough? I thought that engine didn't come with AWD?
Sorry for all the questions. My buddy here at work got a 3.7l V6 model, traded a Range Rover Sport for it (too $$$ operating costs).
#7316 of 7355 Re: how about... [ateixeira]
May 07, 2013 (1:27 pm)
My wife drives the Escape. I traded the '11 Explorer for a Fusion. Both have the 2.0 ecoboost.
My wife thinks it's down a little low end power from the 3.0 V6 in the '09.
Power in both seem more than adequate. I probably would have been ok with the 1.6, but I wanted all the toys, or at least most of them.
I still have the '02 Explorer.
#7317 of 7355 Re: how about... [explorerx4]
May 07, 2013 (1:41 pm)
I drove an Escape with the 2.0 ecoboost. Didn't have the low end torque of our V6 Outlander but It revved quickly and smooth with no noticeable turbo lag. Handled and rode nice, too. Steering reminded me of my Dad's 2012 Focus, a compact car I really like.