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GMC Acadia, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV
#7302 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [badgerfan]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
May 04, 2013 (9:00 am)
I'm used to hatches so the side gate is a deal killer. I still remember what a pain it was swinging the spare tire out of the way to get to the back of my old '74 CJ-5.
I'm with you on the airflow too - I like being able to turn the vents off, at least the dash ones.
(btw, one fun part of living in the UP is getting the chance to drive through our old Wisconsin stomping grounds a couple of times a year. It took a while but we finally found the house we rented for a semester in Madison in '84 or so. The Tercel we had then is long gone and we never got another Bucky Badger sticker. )
#7303 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [badgerfan]
May 05, 2013 (4:11 am)
Doubt seriously if you will find any true "Crossover" or SUV that would 100% suit you. And certainly not one that leans more toward an SUV.
This is Not a "Compare a small 4wd 4 cylinder SUV to a plush Wallowing boat, close to the road worthless on anything more than a smooth hard road" forum.
This is a "Crossover SUV Comparison" forum. So what 2 or more Crossover SUVs are you and "Host" comparing.
#7304 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [kipk]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
May 05, 2013 (5:19 am)
The recent thread is about the new RAV4 vs all the rest. I haven't spotted one in the wild yet myself.
Interestingly, you can still get the 2012 model if you want - just no 4 cylinder, much less the V6. It's the base for the electric version with a Tesla powertrain. I bet few people have spotted one of those in in the wild.
#7305 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [kipk]
May 05, 2013 (7:39 am)
Boy, talk about an overreaction to my posts. As a matter of fact, a small crossover SUV may be on my list to replace my Taurus in the future.
I was just posting items that I thought Toyota missed the boat on. Note: I did not complain about handling, braking, ride, noise, which I thought were in general very good on the RAV4. I only posted items I did not particularly like that would apply to anyone buying any vehicle.
As far as wallowing boat, my Taurus is far from that, and while our Grand Caravan is a smooth rider, neither have ever beem intended for off road use.
I would surmise very few people would seriously consider a RAV4 useful for off rugged off road use either, however.
#7306 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [badgerfan]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
May 05, 2013 (7:53 am)
It's really too bad it's hard to rent a lot of new cars - most don't seem to make it to the rental fleets and not many dealers will let you take a demo home overnight. Kind of surprising that you wound up in a RAV4 - I'm guessing you rented in Vegas which has a wider variety of cars (and exotics) than most places?
#7307 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [badgerfan]
May 06, 2013 (7:13 am)
Way too much airflow into the vehicle when everything was turned off.
If you set the ventilation to recirculate it should alleviate that. Most cars flow-through vent when left on fresh-air at highway speed.
#7308 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [steve_]
May 06, 2013 (10:10 am)
Actually rented in Reno and returned at Las Vegas. Reserved the car months in advance and got a really good deal. I reserved to get a mid size sedan (Fusion, Camry, Malibu etc. size} Deske agent tried to put us in a Spark but I protested based on what I had reserved. Finally he hemmed and hawed and put us in the Rav4.
#7309 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [badgerfan]
May 06, 2013 (10:30 am)
You are the one that introduced the Taurus and Mini Van into the conversation.
I did not, say and am not speaking of "RUGGED" off road use.
A while back we attended a huge arts and crafts festival. We had to park in a grassy field in a slight hill, so there were terraces. The sedans were scraping as they went over them. Most SUVs didn't. To add insult to injury it drizzled rain for a few minutes while we were there, and the grass on the parking field became slick. Nothing "RUGGED" about that, but many sedans with their low plush ride couldn't deal with the terraces and slick grass. Our '03 CR-V 4wd was parked on the lowest part of the field and came out without any problem.
I don't even know if it ever engaged the rear wheels to drive, as it is all totally automatic.
That type of scenario would also apply to snow. Low slung vehicles that necessarily lean (wallow) in corners resulting from soft suspension can cause serious problems in snow conditions. Of course if you wish to spend a ton of money there are some cars that ride great and go around corners flat.
However there must be some reason that you rented a 4WD and possibly the same reason there may be a small SUV to replace the Taurus in your mind.
And yes, unless it is an SHO, it leans a great deal in corners when compared to a stiffer sprung vehicle.
I agree with "thegraduate" put the control in "Recirculate" and that will likely stop outside air from coming through the vents.
Unless you get an upscale model of any SUV, the seat may not be adjustable to your liking. SUVs, by design, have a higher center of gravity than a passenger sedan, resulting from more ground clearance. So there will be more felt motion. They also ride stiffer as most folks, that either have them or have spent some time in them, know.
Good luck with your search!
#7310 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [kipk]
May 06, 2013 (11:03 am)
I did not "introduce the Taurus and minivan" into this conversation. I only provided that information as background information about myself.
And, once again you will note that I never complained about the Rav4's handling or ride characteristics, which I thought were acceptable.
My critique about the Rav4's shortcomings could apply to nearly any vehicle as they were mostly seat comfort and ergonomics related, not vehicle category related.
I do take issue with your statement about handling of non SHO tauri of my car's generation. My Taurus does not lean considerably in any turns. It is much more stable, even to the point of providing a stiffer ride than most sedans, which is one reason I bought it in the first place.
#7311 of 7355 Re: Rental 2012 Toyota Rav4 AWD [badgerfan]
May 06, 2013 (2:22 pm)
Madison's a cool town, I 'm south of of Milwaukee but try to get over there a couple times a year. I really like the hatch on our Outlander, with the top part swinging up, and the bottom flips down, you can use it for a seat, or longer cargo. Not digging the looks of the new Outlander, I'd like to keep our '07 for winter use for me, and get the wife something else. I drove a new Escape, pretty nice but a little tight I rear seat room. I might check out the new Rav4, but we may go with something a little bigger like an Edge.