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#7255 of 7326 Re: Nissan Rogue vs Mazda 5 vs Mitsubishi Outlander [godeacs]
Jun 26, 2012 (7:47 am)
godeacs, is it safe to assume you're looking at FWD/4 cyl models? For the Outlander, are you looking at the Outlander Sport (similar in size to the Rogue) or the larger "regular" Outlander?
I have a loaded '10 Outlander GT (AWD, V6, navi, leather, sun 'n' sound) so if you have any Outlander questions, post them & I'll do my best to answer. Previously I owned a '99 Galant and reliability (10 years/152K miles) was a big factor in buying another Mitsu. It just works.
ateixeira is right the the Mitsu will depreciate a little faster than the others, but if you're planning to own it for more than 5 or 6 years, that will level out. Since depreciation is measured as a drop from MSRP, it can also be mitigated by getting a good deal up front.
I obviously don't wonder if Mitsu will be around in 5 years. Frankly, people have been spouting that same tired line for at least 15 years and Mitsu is still here. Daewoo came & went. Pontiac & Olds went. Mercury went. Others have faded away but Mitsu remains a player, albeit a small one. 2011 saw large percentage increases in sales. 2012 has seen that fall off, but to be fair the Galant, Endeavor, and Eclipse are holdovers and have been discontinued. As supply runs out Mitsu won't have offering in those segments. (Mitsu is retooling their Illinois plant to make Outlander Sports and, presumably, other cars on the Lancer platform.)
Depending on your location and the timing of your decision, you might check out the closest Mitsubishi Owners Day - MOD: http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/company/autoshow.do. I'm in the Chicago area & went to Factory MOD a couple of years ago.
#7256 of 7326 Re: Nissan Rogue vs Mazda 5 vs Mitsubishi Outlander [fushigi]
Jun 26, 2012 (8:12 am)
I just can't imagine the i and Outlander Sport ever doing near the volume that the Galant and Eclipse used to do.
Around here flagship Mitsu dealers are closing, now they're the 3rd franchise in a big building shared with other brands. That's exactly where Isuzu was just before they failed (Fitz Dodge/Subaru/Isuzu is now Hyundai/Subaru).
Could be a regional thing, but the writing is on the wall here in the DC area. I hope I'm wrong - the STI needs the EVO rival to keep things interesting.
#7257 of 7326 2012 nissan rogue has vibration issues
Jun 26, 2012 (10:33 am)
I recently purchased 2012 nissan rogue, after driving it the first day i felt vibrations coming from the car. I brought it back to the dealer several times in an effort to resolve this issue, each time i was told nothing was wrong. On my final visit one of the repair technicians who rode with me told me that the vibrations were a normal part of the way a cvt transmission functioned, and that i would get used to it. It is now 3 months since i purchased the car and it is still a very dissatisfying experience every time i drive. A car should run smoothly. Please if any one is considering buying this car, save your self a lot of aggravation and find something else.
#7258 of 7326 Re: 2012 nissan rogue has vibration issues [driver735]
Jun 26, 2012 (10:55 am)
The OP won't be too relieved because the base Outlander also uses a CVT.
Only the Mazda5 doesn't from his short list.
#7259 of 7326 Re: 2012 nissan rogue has vibration issues [ateixeira]
Jun 26, 2012 (12:14 pm)
The OP has a CVT-equipped Altima and likes it. That said, when I've ridden in a friend's CVT-equipped I4 Altima I've not noticed any odd vibration issues. There's definitely a disassociation between engine revs & speed/acceleration but NVH was nothing out of the ordinary.
The Outlander Sport's engine/CVT combo is pretty buzzy but it's only a 2L and is generally considered a little underpowered; the 2.4 in the regular Outlander should be fine.
#7260 of 7326 Re: 2012 nissan rogue has vibration issues [fushigi]
Jun 26, 2012 (12:18 pm)
I'm fine with CVTs also...so shouldn't be a problem, just some getting used to, for newbies.
#7261 of 7326 Re: Nissan Rogue vs Mazda 5 vs Mitsubishi Outlander [ateixeira]
Jun 27, 2012 (10:02 pm)
Only slight doubt I have about Mitsu is their long term viability in the US. The warranty is a nice feature compared to the competition and I tend to keep my cars for at least 5 yrs and then some (a paid off car is nice....)
Yeah, if the Mazda 5 had the SkyActiv engine that would probably make my mind up for me. Also, the bike will fit easily in the 5 with room to spare.
The bike should fit in the Rogue with back seats down - according to my tape measure! Would probably want to bring the bike to the dealer to make sure.
#7262 of 7326 Re: Nissan Rogue vs Mazda 5 vs Mitsubishi Outlander [fushigi]
Jun 27, 2012 (9:56 pm)
Yes, have been looking at the Outlander ES since I can get it for around $20K, give or take right now. The Sport is too small for the bike.
BUT, last night I test drove a 2010 Outlander GT that was fully loaded; 25K miles on it and was owned by an older couple who just traded it in for a 2012. Seemed in superb condition and had more gadgets than I need....navigation, back up cam, etc. They said I could get it for around $25K on a vehicle that went for $33-34K when new. Sound right?
Not sure I want to spend the extra $5K though esp since I plan on keeping my Altima for a while....
#7263 of 7326 Re: Nissan Rogue vs Mazda 5 vs Mitsubishi Outlander [godeacs]
Jun 28, 2012 (9:53 am)
Interesting. I'm not sure why someone would trade a 2010 in on a 2012; there weren't any significant updates to the car & 25K miles is "barely broken in".
I'll say this: You very quickly see the value in the backup cam. After getting it in my '10 Outlander GT I'm convinced I'll get one in every car - sedan or CUV - from here out. I love it. Just this past weekend I had to back in to a narrow parking space (narrow enough that we folded in the mirrors after we got out of the car) in a downtown Chicago lot & pulled it off first try with no need for pulling forward to make corrections.
On the down side, the 2010 shipped with navi maps that were a little dated even then. There is an update available (released around the beginning of 2012) but it costs almost $200. If you pursue the GT and it's being offered by a Mitsu dealer, make sure they upgrade the maps to the current ones as part of the purchase agreement.
$25K on a dealer lot sounds reasonable for a pre-negotiation price assuming it also has the Rockford-Fosgate stereo & sunroof. But you can probably get them down to around $23K including the navi update unless they have a lot in it.
Check Edmunds and other sites that list dealer used car inventories. You should be able to confirm if the equipment level & miles match up to the asking prices.
GT considerations: Fuel economy on the V6 will be worse than the 4 cyl. I have a lifetime average of 21.2MPG over almost 24K miles. The V6 runs best on premium gas but will do fine on regular or midgrade. You won't notice a power difference. That said, running on regular you'll lose around 0.5MPG so using less expensive gas is cancelled by getting worse fuel economy. Once I determined that I just stick with premium all the time. Here in Illinois that's 92-93 octane w/10% Ethanol.
No roof rack. You can read batman47's posts in the Outlander threads if that's a concern; he went aftermarket IIRC. Personally, as loading on top the vehicle is awkward and I've not needed to shove anything up there so far, it's not a concern. In any case roof racks are generally bad for aerodynamics and wind noise.
You should also read batman47's posts about his South American journey in a '10 GT. He took one from sea level to 15K elevation through areas that barely had roads. Definitely gives you a good feeling for the car's durability.
#7264 of 7326 Re: Nissan Rogue vs Mazda 5 vs Mitsubishi Outlander [fushigi]
Jun 28, 2012 (2:12 pm)
I agree w/your pt about the trade in after only 2 years. Seems strange to me too, which I mentioned to the salesman.
Yes, the back-up cam is a great safety device but the Nav system I def do not need - or the worry/expense of keeping it updated.
They have listed the vehicle at $26K and am sure they will come down some. It does have the sunroof (again something I do NOT need) and the Rockford-Fosgate stereo which sounded nice but again something not on my "need to have " list for a new vehicle.
So...would be paying for stuff I don't need and/or wouldn't use that much. Plus the gas mileage differential is a concern. I want a vehicle that gets at least in the mid 20s, preferably higher, but no hybrid.... And I darned sure to not want to pay fro premium fuel......
I've read batman's reports and am impressed - though not sure why anyone wouldn't undertake such trips..... Nice to know the Outlander survived rather nicely. My driving would not be anywhere as severe.
So.....if I go the Outlander route the ES should meet all my needs.....
Thanks for all your comments/tips!
PS Almost forgot.....the same dealer has a 2010 ES with the same mileage (around 25K) and looks to be in good shape. Asking $15500....both are not "certified" so there's a $10K differential between the GT and ES. probably need to test drive it too....