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Re: Outlander review link [ateixeira] by chelentano
Oct 16, 2009 (8:03 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 16, 2009 7:59 am)

>> Looks like Mitsu bumped HP to 230 and put on 18" rims. That explains the good slalom numbers - those must be very low profile tires.
 
Actually the 2007 Outlander XLS is also equipped with 18" tires.
 
According to the article, 2010 Outlander GT was tested with pretty standard tires:
Tire Size: 225/55R18
Tire Brand: Goodyear
Tire Model: Eagle LS2
Tire Type: All-season
 
Mitsubishi explanes improved handling:
 
More Aggressive Handling
With the Outlander already one of the best handling SUVs on the market, engineers had a great base from which to begin. Slightly lower with the use of a shorter and stiffer suspension, the Outlander GT lends a menacing and race-bred look...
  
Super All Wheel Control (S-AWC)
Merging Mitsubishi's experience in off-road and rally racing with production car development, the Outlander GT features the revolutionary Super All Wheel Control (S-AWC) system. More than just four-wheel drive, S-AWC is a handling system that provides increased handling, traction and stability...
 
Utilizing a first-in-class active front limited-slip differential and an electronically controlled 4WD coupling, S-AWC can prevent wheel slip between front to rear and side-to-side to enhance tire grip. To the driver this translates into greater traction through all types of terrain and inclement weather, including ice, snow and rain. By measuring throttle input, wheel speed, engine output, steering angle, gear selection, acceleration and yaw rate and combining that data with input from the Active Stability Control (ASC) and Anti-Lock Brake (ABS) computers, S-AWC can accurately detect driving conditions and adjust accordingly. With S-AWC, the Outlander GT can turn tighter, find traction and is more stable during cornering...
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Re: Edmunds Inside Line slalom test [ateixeira] by chelentano
Oct 16, 2009 (8:22 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 16, 2009 7:42 am)

>> Does anyone know if Edmunds tests with the VSC off, if so equipped?
 
My impression that yes, they test slalom with VSC off, if it could be disabled. Quote about FJ testing:
 
"Toyota's Vehicle Skid Control severly hampers at-the-limit handling maneuvers in both the slalom and skid pad tests. Most intrusive in the radical transistions encountered during slalom testing, VSC significantly limited slalom speed through brake application and throttle reduction. *Because Toyota doesn't allow disabling of its stability control system, editors elected to eliminate the slalom test from performance scoring in this comparison."
 
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=115472/pageId=972- 60
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Re: Outlander review link [chelentano] by ateixeira
Oct 19, 2009 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: chelentano (Oct 16, 2009 8:03 pm)

So it's lowered and they upgraded AWC to S-AWC.
 
The EVO has S-AWC so I wonder how much the systems have in common.
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Re: Edmunds Inside Line slalom test [chelentano] by ateixeira
Oct 19, 2009 (7:45 am)
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Replying to: chelentano (Oct 16, 2009 8:22 pm)

My Toyota does have an off button (Sienna) and maybe the RAV4 does also since they rated it.
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Re: Edmunds Inside Line slalom test [ateixeira] by thegraduate
Oct 19, 2009 (6:51 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 19, 2009 7:45 am)

Does it actually completely disengage it? I've read about "off buttons" that really just raise the threshold. In your Sienna, its probably not worth finding out.
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Re: Edmunds Inside Line slalom test [thegraduate] by ateixeira
Oct 20, 2009 (6:57 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 19, 2009 6:51 pm)

Definitey not on my Toyota. Probably all Toyotas.
 
It goes from being way too intrusive (can't climb my driveway with an inch of snow) to being just about right (you don't notice unless it's intentional).
 
It's never all the way off.
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PX-MiEV by chelentano
Oct 20, 2009 (7:21 pm)
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Tokyo Show. Mitsubishi is unveiling what it calls the PX-MiEV. This crossover seems to be a conglomerate of all things; its is a plugin hybrid, a parallel hybrid, a series hybrid, and an EV.
 
The front and rear wheels are powered by two electric motors that total 60 kw, and there is a 1.6 L gas engine that can both power the front wheels and act as a generator. All of the driving configurations are managed by a power control unit and software called the “MiEV OS.”
 
EV mode can be automatically switched between front wheel drive or 4 wheel rive depending on road conditions. When the battery is depleted to a certain level, the vehicle transforms into Volt-like series hybrid operation where the generator simply provides energy for the electric motors. However unlike the Volt, when power demands become high, the engine can also turn the wheels supplementing the electric motors as a parallel hybrid configuration.
 
The EV mode range is 31 miles from a full charge, and the car seats 4.
 
Mitsubishi claims the vehicle will achieve about 117 MPG overall.
 
Mitsubishi throws in lots of concept auto show goodies, including LED head- and rear-maps; an aerodynamic shell-like metal appearance; seat upholstery that deactivates allergens and kills bacteria; airplane cockpit instrumental panels; and wireless charging for programming charge times. Mitsubishi is also looking to the future when vehicle-to-grid becomes more feasible by creating a “power supply mode” to allow owners to use onboard stored energy to power home appliances—or in the short run to run campsite electricity via a 100-volt AC auxiliary socket.
 
The gadget list continues with a “multi-around monitor" system using cameras located around the car, and an on-board receiver to receive signals about vehicles or pedestrians in the driver's path. Finally, the PX-MiEV is fitted with an electronically-controlled air suspension that gives the driver the choice of three ride height modes.
 
Bloomberg reports that Mitsubishi aims to introduce a similar vehicle around 2013.
 
more picts | dashboard
 
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Re: PX-MiEV [chelentano] by ateixeira
Oct 23, 2009 (8:08 am)
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Replying to: chelentano (Oct 20, 2009 7:21 pm)

Impressive specs but they could have tried a little harder on the styling.

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