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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 03, 2009 5:33 am) That's the first I've paid attention to those figures. Not good. Not good at all. I don't subscribe to CR myself. Can you tell us if their tests are typically more conservative when test driving than say, MT or C&D? I recall them being a good bit less performance oriented than other mags but can't say for sure now. If they still are more conservative then those FE numbers look even worse IMO.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Oct 03, 2009 5:33 am)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Oct 05, 2009 8:52 am)  Disclaimer: I don't actually have an aunt Edna. Basically they are very practical. Having said that, a sporty car like a Boxster can and does score very high. They do not use brake-torqueing to improve 0-60 numbers, so they tend to be on the slow side. Still, just about every Equinox competitor does better. Their mileage figures are not usually high - I do better in each car I own, tie for my Miata, which I drive hard. Having said that, the RAV4 V6 did better. The class best for a non-hybrid is the Forester with the manual transmission, at 25mpg actual, and EPA numbers aren't nearly as good as the 'nox. Gotta wonder if GM was a bit optimistic with their EPA test. GM performs the test, though I believe the EPA will run tests to verify some (not all) of the cars a manufacturer submits. |
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Replying to: volkov (Oct 05, 2009 10:15 am) Our Forester is only slightly quicker. I'm not complaining, nor did we opt for the turbo XT model that was available from Subaru. Having said that, with Direct Injection, 180hp, 6 speed auto, etc., that does sort of create some expectations. So does a 32 EPA highway claim which the plaster all over ever billboard on the east coast. It's heavy, that's the real problem. The weight hurts both acceleration and fuel economy, not to mention handling, braking, and just about every performance measure. They got the interior right. They got the exterior right. The powertrain is spot-on, at least on paper (maybe work on the shift map for the trans). Put it on a diet and it will be a class leader. |
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Interesting results of the Edmunds Inside Line slalom test: 6 x 100 ft (mph) BMW X6 M: 68.6 2010 Outlander GT: 66.2 Mercedes C Class: 65.8 RDX: 65.7 Cayenne Turbo X: 65.2 MB ML63 AMG 64.4 BMW X3: 64.4 07 Outlander XLS: 63.9 BMW X5 M 63.5 MDX: 62.6 LR2: 62 Audi Q5: 61.9 RAV4 LTD: 61.6 MB GLK: 61.3 Forester 2.5XT: 60.3 Murano LE: 59.2 MB ML350: 57.5 Lincoln MKX: 57.3 Note, that the X6 M on the top of the list costs $95K. Mercedes C300 is given here as a car example.
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Replying to: chelentano (Oct 15, 2009 6:33 pm) Outlander GT showing some serious numbers there. It's certainly the surprise in the top 5 - all the rest I expected, but admittedly in different order. I would have bet X6,Cayenne,X3 for top three. Too bad that Forester STi isn't production USDM.
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Replying to: volkov (Oct 15, 2009 7:28 pm) They only have 2003 Forester XS: 60.2. I guess Cayenne showing a good number for its weight. The comparable MB ML63 AMG 64.4: huge difference from its 'inexpensive' sibling ML350: 57.5 Surprised that Murano performs so low: it looks sportier. |
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Replying to: volkov (Oct 15, 2009 7:28 pm) Must be the tires. I own a Toyota and a Subaru and I'll be the first to say the Subaru handles 100 times better. The numbers don't tell the whole story. Intrusive stability control would also seriously limit slalom times. Does anyone know if Edmunds tests with the VSC off, if so equipped?
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Found it: http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2009/10/il-track-tested-2010-mitsubishi- -outlander-gt.html I'm sort of disappointed they didn't offer the dual-clutch transmission, I recall in 2007 Mitsubishi said it would come. They must have cancelled those plans. Looks like Mitsu bumped HP to 230 and put on 18" rims. That explains the good slalom numbers - those must be very low profile tires. 0-60 in 7.9 is also a nice improvement, I watched this comparo video yesterday and they said their Outlander took 9 seconds: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/VideosTypeIndex/type=Crossover#74 Middle of the page, under Comparison Tests, "2007-2008 Compact Crossover Comparison Video". It also took 4th place out of 4 competitors. Time for a rematch?
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