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Re: Changin from a Suburban....Please Help.... [ateixeira] by coldcranker
Jan 14, 2009 (7:37 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 14, 2009 9:41 am)

ateixeira said: "Only reinforces the minivan suggestion. No crossovers can even come close to the amount of space behind the 3rd row of a van. Not even in the same league."
 
My Freestyle can swallow up a suitcase behind the third row seats. I know some other (Suzuki XL7, Higlander, etc.) crossovers can't. Freestyle is very close to a minivan capacity. TaurusX is the same. Flex is even better. The Flex is really a crossover that nails minivans right in the diaper-bag.
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Re: Changin from a Suburban....Please Help.... [coldcranker] by ateixeira
Jan 15, 2009 (9:02 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 14, 2009 7:37 pm)

Found a pic....
 
https://www.tituswillfordparts.com/images/FS%20Cargo%20Net.jpg
 
(I tried but it would not let me embed the pic in my post)
 
Pretty good for a crossover, but I'm not sure you could fit luggage for all 6/7 passengers.
 
I don't agree with the "close to minivan capacity" part, though:
 
Suburban: 45.8 cubic feet
Sienna: 44 cubic feet
Freestyle: 22.5 cubic feet
 
The van is close, but the Freestyle has about half the space.
 
Before volkov chimes in, the Suburban's cargo area has a longer floor than either.
 
Feel free to compare other crossovers...I'm tired of Googling them for now.
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A few more by ateixeira
Jan 15, 2009 (9:08 am)
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From an Edmunds comparo...
 
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=132786/pageId=149- 505
 
Chevy Traverse: 24.4 cubic feet
Ford Flex: 20 cubic feet
 
So the Freestyle falls right in the middle of those two, but a Suburban owner would likely note the loss of space.
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Re: A few more [ateixeira] by stevedebi
Jan 15, 2009 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 15, 2009 9:08 am)

"Chevy Traverse: 24.4 cubic feet
Ford Flex: 20 cubic feet
  
So the Freestyle falls right in the middle of those two, but a Suburban owner would likely note the loss of space. "
 
A lot of reviews (including Edmunds) got the Freestyle cargo space wrong with the 3rd seat up. They were not counting the "well" into which the FS 3rd seat goes when it is flat. I never understood how they managed that, but there were two different values floating around, one at about 20 ft, and the other about 23 or 24 (IIRC).
 
I mention this because I suspect the Flex (like the FS and TX), have a significant "well" behind the 3rd seat - and some articles may not have that space included. So your flex may be about 24 Cu ft back there as well.
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Re: A few more [stevedebi] by coldcranker
Jan 15, 2009 (2:20 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Jan 15, 2009 1:01 pm)

Thanks for the research. I formerly had a massive Windstar minivan, which I took the seats out of and created a vast empty volume. Very efficient, those box shapes. My '05 Freestyle is also a box shape, and the vehicle is 200" long, so its doing about all it can do within that length. I don't want a longer vehicle. The old Windstar came in at 202" long I think. Bigger vehicles are too hard to park. Also, the hood on a Freestyle is more substantial than on a minivan (Sienna or Windstar), so there is a better crash crumple zone there, too. Not having the short sloping hood as a minivan does will sacrifice a few inches, but the Freestyle compromises that in the direction of safety. The Flex is the same way, as you know that substantial snout (hood) takes up some length, but not much more. Take a look at the GMC Acadia (Traverse, Outlook, Enclave, too) an notice they could have maybe shortened the hood length a bit, allowing more passenger volume (cab forward), but its pretty good the way it is.
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Re: A few more [stevedebi] by ateixeira
Feb 03, 2009 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Jan 15, 2009 1:01 pm)

I'm not sure what methodology the EPA uses to measure space, though I thought they included any open spaces (not lidded/enclosed ones, AFAIK).
 
Weird thing is some models with moonroofs lose cargo capacity, and you don't often (*) pile things all the way up to the ceiling.
 
* - I say that but I did that on a 10-day trip I just took from DC to Florida and back. We had 2 cars but the group split up so I took 6 passengers and all their luggage (2 big bags, 4 carry-ons, 2 boxes, and a garment bag and most of it fit behind the 3rd row so everyone had room to stretch out). I'm pretty sure I would have need to put the bigs bags on the roof of any crossovers discussed here.
 
One of my neighbors just traded her Suburban (one generation back) for a new Chevy Traverse and she's already wondering about the cargo space. Our kids are on the same b-ball team so I'll check it out after the next game.
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Murano vs. MDX vs. ? by loach
Mar 25, 2009 (11:08 am)
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In about a year, I'll be passing my '01 Pathfinder 4WD down to my son, and I'm starting to think about what to replace it with. Part of the fun of car buying for me is taking about a year or so to analyze it to death, test drive several candidates, and talk on forums about it until I get carpal tunnel syndrome. I have virtually no brand loyalty, which makes it even more fun (although I do have a little brand disloyalty in certain cases). So let's get started.
 
I like the rough size of my Pathy, and I'm thinking new AWD crossover for my next vehicle. This will be my daily driver. I don't need a 3rd row - our family hauler is my wife's Acadia so if I end up with something with a 3rd row it will be folded flat 99% of the time. Don't suggest another Lambda - I like my Acadia but I'm looking for something a little smaller and more fun to drive. Probably won't go above $45k. My initial shopping list is as follows - purely based on looking at and sitting in vehicles at the auto show (no test drives yet):
 
1. Nissan Murano (seems like best overall value, like the styling but maybe not in love with it)
2. Acura MDX (styling has grown on me, heard it handles great but MPG seems unimpressive and not sure it's worth the extra $$$)
3. Several other vehicles vaguely on my radar, in no particular order:
- Ford Edge (haven't heard much good about handling/driving characteristics)
- Subaru Tribeca (odd interior and not in love with exterior)
- 2010 Chevy Equinox or GMC Terrain (intriguing, but who knows at this point)
- Hyundai Santa Fe (nice looking, good value, maybe too boring)
- Lexus RX (fun factor probably not there)
- Toyota Highlander (seems too much like a family hauler to me)
- Toyota Venza (seems like a Camry wagon to me)
- Mazda CX-7 and CX-9 (CX-7 too cramped, CX-9 too big - maybe I need a CX-8!)
- Mitsubishi Endeavor (blah styling and will Mits go the way of Isuzu?)
- Volvo XC90 (I doubt it - maybe the new XC60 or whatever it is)
- Volkswagon Touareg (crappy reliability history)
 
Thoughts? Suggestions?
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Re: Murano vs. MDX vs. ? [loach] by psychogun
Mar 25, 2009 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: loach (Mar 25, 2009 11:08 am)

If I may also suggest the Subaru Forester XT and the Mitsubishi Outlander XLS (instead of the Endeavor).
Mitsubishi will not be leaving the US despite the rumors (pundits have been predicting the tri-diamonds departure for nearly a decade now).
Both of the above are fun to drive and have decent interior space and utility. While neither of these CUV's can claim to have interior materials quality that could compete with an Acura, they compare nicely to that of the Murano (in my humble opinion).
 
In the end, however, I feel that a decently lengthy test-drive will become the determining factor. So, go drive 'em all. You have a year, right?
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Re: Murano vs. MDX vs. ? [psychogun] by ateixeira
Mar 25, 2009 (12:04 pm)
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Replying to: psychogun (Mar 25, 2009 11:29 am)

I agree, I'd go for something smaller and more fun.
 
Think small and sporty, some ideas:
 
Saturn Vue Redline
Subaru Forester XT (turbo)
Acura RD-X
BMW X3
 
Practical is fine but you already have a Lambda, have some fun too!
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Re: Murano vs. MDX vs. ? [ateixeira] by costello1
Mar 25, 2009 (1:44 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 25, 2009 12:04 pm)

I have a 07 Outlander and love it . Great car. This is my second Mitisi . I had a 02 Montero Spt and several Isuzu Troopers and my Outie is the tops!! Look at Mitishi , you will be surprised!!

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