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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: RDX TECH vs. RAV4 V6 4x4 [baggs32] by coldcranker
Dec 18, 2008 (11:37 am)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Dec 18, 2008 10:39 am)

baggs32,
For the comparison to be valid, the power from the new EB I4 you mentioned needs to be equal (or nearly equal) to the 4.6L V8. I own an '05 F150 with the 4.6L, and it is rated at 231 HP and 293 ft-lbs. OK, you could get to that power level with an EB 4 cylinder of about 2.2L, but you would either need A) add a 6-speed tranny, or B) add alcohol injection, to get a 20% gain. Ecoboost alone won't do it.
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Re: RDX TECH vs. RAV4 V6 4x4 [coldcranker] by coldcranker
Dec 18, 2008 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Dec 18, 2008 11:37 am)

I'm a member of the SAE, and I know someone who knows someone inside Ford. I'll see if I can't get an anonymous leak of information about Ecoboost fuel economy gains potential in the years to come.
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Re: RDX TECH vs. RAV4 V6 4x4 [coldcranker] by ateixeira
Dec 24, 2008 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Dec 18, 2008 11:43 am)

I think we're off on a bit of a tangent here, though.
 
Let's get back to Acura vs. Toyota.
 
RDX owners do complain about gas mileage so the concerns expressed above are valid. Plus you should use premium fuel.
 
Toyota's 2GR V6 is plenty powerful, efficient, and runs on regular fuel. But we're only looking at the engine. I found the interior a bit lacking, and the swinging rear door opens the wrong way, blocking curb side loading.
 
So I prefer the RAV4's powertrain, it's a shame the rest of vehicle isn't as good as the engine.
 
To be honest the CX7 and Forester XT are more comparable to the RAV4, especially when it comes to pricing.
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Changin from a Suburban....Please Help.... by aggie10
Jan 12, 2009 (1:44 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Dec 14, 2008 6:48 pm)

We have an 04 Suburban,a nd we're looking to trade it in. We'd like a new one, but it might be too pricey. Does anyone have any ideas of a replacement vehicle that might be less expensive without a huge dropoff in space and cargo room? We're thinking about the new Chevy Traverse, but we're not sure. Our Suburban has about 60,000 miles, and is out of the warranty. That's wht makes us nervous. Thanks so much for any and all advice.
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Re: Changin from a Suburban....Please Help.... [aggie10] by coldcranker
Jan 12, 2009 (2:50 pm)
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Replying to: aggie10 (Jan 12, 2009 1:44 pm)

aggie10, The Traverse is exceptional. Chevy put direct injection in that powerful V6 this year. That is one well-built husky SUV. Its not cheap, as it goes for around $30,000. For a little cheaper, you can get an '09 TaurusX crossover, plenty big enough for most folks, and a very good performer. The TaurusX uses a derivative of the Volvo XC90 chassis, very solid and well built. The TaurusX engine won an award from Wards Automotive, and it shares a transmission with the Traverse (joint GM-Ford transmission in there).
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Re: Changin from a Suburban....Please Help.... [aggie10] by thegraduate
Jan 12, 2009 (6:49 pm)
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Replying to: aggie10 (Jan 12, 2009 1:44 pm)

60,000 miles isn't many, but if you need lots of room, but not the "truck" abilities (4WD, 3500lbs+ towing capacity), consider a minivan. They're much cheaper than crossover vehicles, and always offer more cargo/passenger space.
 
Just a thought.
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Re: Changin from a Suburban....Please Help.... [aggie10] by volkov
Jan 12, 2009 (7:17 pm)
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Replying to: aggie10 (Jan 12, 2009 1:44 pm)

If you don't need big towing capacity, the new extended Expedition was nice and quite comparable in interior room. We held off on that one due to the integrated hitch and less towing capacity than our 3/4 ton Yukon XL because we want it as a tow vehicle for a good size trailer.
How many seats do you need? Coming from the Sub, you will find the Taurus or even the Flex a bit lacking in cargo room behind the 3rd row. The GM crossover options offer a little more trunk room but still a downsize from the Sub. I know that we never saw a crossover or even a minivan that would comfortably take both our dogs behind the 3rd row like the Suburban does even though for some the published cargo volume was similar. If you can pile your luggage or cargo vertically, this is less of an issue, but our dogs don't like standing on each other.
Do you have the option that we are considering, namely semi-retire the Suburban and keep it for the big family trips, but use a smaller 7 passenger crossover as the usual daily driver? Driving around town cargo capacity etc becomes much less important. With current trade in values, it's not as if the Sub is worth that much on the trade-in market. I would be very hesitant about buying a new Sub for just that reason - they are still expensive, but unlike it was 5 years ago, the depreciation on these big SUV's is now abysmal.
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Re: Changin from a Suburban....Please Help.... [thegraduate] by ateixeira
Jan 13, 2009 (11:25 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 12, 2009 6:49 pm)

I'll 2nd the minivan suggestion.
 
Sorry, I said the M word again.
 
Seriously, though, the two desires here are space and value pricing, and the simple fact is a minivan wins big in both areas.
 
Going from a Suburban to a Lambda you lose about 20 cubit feet.
 
Going from a Suburban to a Sienna you actually gain 10+ cubic feet.
 
That plus a van will be a whole lot cheaper. $22-35k instead of $30-40k or so.
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Re: Changin from a Suburban....Please Help.... [ateixeira] by volkov
Jan 13, 2009 (1:23 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 13, 2009 11:25 am)

Don't start this argument again Juice. That "10+" extra cubic feet of cargo space only with all seats down. Cargo space is slightly less and is nowhere near as useful behind the 3rd row as the Suburban offers. Trust me, as I've easily piled our luggage into the Yukon only to have to fiddle, re-load and organize to transport it in a Sienna rental. Plus, large dog crates won't fit in the back of a Sienna without leaving 2 kids at home.
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Re: Changin from a Suburban....Please Help.... [volkov] by thegraduate
Jan 13, 2009 (2:38 pm)
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Replying to: volkov (Jan 13, 2009 1:23 pm)

The only one "arguing" is you, and axtieria wasn't the one who "started it," I was. The poster didn't give specifics on what they carry, mentioned nothing of large dog crates or how many kids they toted. All I did was suggest alternatives, and don't recall needing anyone's approval in doing so in the Member Agreement at Edmunds. Sure, as the owner of a Suburban, they may certainly like the cargo/seating layout they currently have, no doubt. Checking out your options is a smart thing to do when spending this much money, however! That's all I wanted them to do.
 
To the original poster, if interested (and you may not be), check out the SUVs vs. Minivans forum. To do so, click this link, it will take you directly to it.
 
 

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