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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: WOW! [coldcranker] by wheel_dawg
Dec 04, 2008 (7:07 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Dec 04, 2008 5:58 pm)

I'm looking at an XLS (V6) with Nav, towing, and protection pkg. I want something with a small V6 that suits our needs (a little towing and a lot of dog-hauling and mountain bike hauling). I like the little features like the tailgate, the selectable AWD, the paddle shifters, and all the storage inside.
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Re: WOW! [wheel_dawg] by coldcranker
Dec 04, 2008 (8:18 pm)
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Replying to: wheel_dawg (Dec 04, 2008 7:07 pm)

The Outlander is good. However, I like my '05 Freestyle better. It is wider than the Outlander by several inches, making it easier to haul bigger stuff. Longer, too. Freestyle crash tests well (Volvo-derived chassis). Small V6 like the Outlander. Love the CVT in the Freestyle, and I get 27 MPG on the highway, 20 MPG around town, very good for a big crossover. Steers and handles great. Mine is the 2WD version, not the AWD one, as the AWD Freestyle gets worse MPG.
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Re: Buy American [coldcranker] by skeksis
Dec 05, 2008 (2:21 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Sep 03, 2008 1:59 pm)

Listen, I understand where you are coming from - American made is not at all the same as American assembled.
 
However, I lived in Flint Michigan all my life (recently moved to Portland OR) and on both my side and my wifes, our fathers and grandfathers worked for GM.
 
We get really good deals on GM cars, but I would not buy a GM car if I had to walk instead.
 
What they did to their own workers in Michigan is unpardonable. Miles and miles of buried toxic waste under homes, scrapped quality vehicles, you name it.
 
I feel differently about Ford, but I otherwise cannot and would not suggest supporting full American made vehicles. This is coming from a guy who helped his dad flip foreign cars onto their roofs as a kid, back in the 90s - when there were NO foreign cars in Flint.
 
You cannot support em just because they are American. They treat Americans with pure contempt. Only way they will learn is to lose.
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Re: Buy American [skeksis] by coldcranker
Dec 05, 2008 (9:01 am)
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Replying to: skeksis (Dec 05, 2008 2:21 am)

skeksis,
I mainly say to people to just buy the vehicle that gets good crash test ratings, best-in-class fuel economy, handles well, steers well, quiet enough, rides smoothe enough, is roomy enough for them. Regardless of where its made. Fact is, for all those factors, I don't see anything that beats my '05 Ford Freestyle, which is part Swedish (Volvo initially designed the chassis), American (Ford changed the chassis design quite a bit), and German (Porsche originally designed the engine and ZF the transmission). Its assembled in Chicago by people who have health insurance, and I'm proud to help fund that. Consumer Reports says it has above average reliability (no trouble with mine, too.). Bottom line: Great car! The EPA MPG is 18 city and 25 highway in a 200" by 75" footprint vehicle. I've gotten as high as 27 MPG on very long highway trips. Not bad at all!
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Re: Buy American [coldcranker] by ateixeira
Dec 05, 2008 (1:32 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Dec 05, 2008 9:01 am)

Ford just announced they're stopping Taurus X production.
 
Though that might mean some bargains can be had.
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RDX TECH vs. RAV4 V6 4x4 by 313
Dec 07, 2008 (3:26 am)
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I am looking for compact SUV and the target is either RDX or RAV4 V6 (Sport or Limited one). RDX has better outlook and great interior design especially with TECH package, it has everything I want (leather seat, bluetooth, NV) but I am worry about the noisy, gas millage, turbo issue and soft suspension (felt all the bumps) that other people mentioned. I know RAV4 is reliable and fuel economy but it really looks too simple. After check with several dealers, I can get 08 RDX TECH and 09 RAV4 V6 4x4 with very similar pricing (only 2K difference) if add some options on RAV4 such as leather seat, bluetooth, & smartkey. Please let me know which car will be the good choice? At the beginning, I really want to pick RDX since there is only 2K difference between Acura (higher class) & Toyota, but I don't want to have a trouble car after several years. Please let me know your comments. Thanks a lot.
 
BTW, I am surprise that Toyota didn't drop their pricing a lot while the economy is so bad, especially in SF bay area. The 09 RAV4 SE V6 4x4 (w/leather seat, bluetooth, & smartkey) still need $28K + tax & fees.
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Re: RDX TECH vs. RAV4 V6 4x4 [313] by coldcranker
Dec 07, 2008 (8:38 am)
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Replying to: 313 (Dec 07, 2008 3:26 am)

I say don't get a turbo engine unless the engine has direct injection (not multiport injection). Therefore, the RAV4 is the best choice.
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Dec 09, 2008 (1:49 pm)
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Re: RDX TECH vs. RAV4 V6 4x4 [coldcranker] by volkov
Dec 09, 2008 (4:57 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Dec 07, 2008 8:38 am)

Well, I don't agree with that statement at all...being an owner of my second non DI turbo. DI is an nice bonus but it would be on an N/A engine too. The plus for the turbo is that when driven very conservatively and keeping it "off-boost" one can get excellent mileage because essentially it's like driving a smaller engine, but the power is still there when needed or wanted.
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Re: RDX TECH vs. RAV4 V6 4x4 [volkov] by coldcranker
Dec 13, 2008 (9:21 pm)
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Replying to: volkov (Dec 09, 2008 4:57 pm)

volkov, Wrong. The problem is that adding a turbo forces the engine designer to lower the compression ratio, which hurts fuel economy. Direct injection allows the designer to keep the compression ratio at a normal high level while allowing the turbo to work.

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