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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 05, 2008 12:42 pm) ateixeira, You can be patriotic toward any country of your own choosing. I'm not restricting you or anybody. I personally know of one person who will choose the CX-9 over the Acadia simply due to the fact that the CX-9 is Japanese. Since both vehicles are good ones, in this case, they can't go wrong. Of course, nothing today equals the combination of roominess, handling, and fuel economy as my '05 Freestyle, including the current TaurusX (Freestyle descendant) that gets worse fuel economy in the same body. Smaller CUVs get worse or equal gas mileage as mine. To me, the fact that it is a Ford is icing on the cake. In the end, most of us will take the best vehicle for our needs/wants and just live with the country-of-origin issue if we don't like it. With the Freestyle, I didn't contribute to the trade deficit at least.
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Replying to: coldcranker (Sep 05, 2008 1:31 pm)  Ford makes the EcoSport there, though, but it's not sold here.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 05, 2008 2:05 pm) Does Ford market the Freestyle/TaurusX in Brazil? That EcoSport looks like it would do well in the U.S., similar to Ford's Escape, a least a little bit. Wikipedia says the EcoSport is selling well inside Brazil. A lot of countries like Australia I know, and maybe Brazil, place a lot of value on body-on-frame tougher vehicles like what Jeep does in the U.S. instead of the expensive unit-body vehicles.
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Replying to: coldcranker (Sep 05, 2008 7:12 pm) The Fiesta does well, and the Focus. The Fusion is very low volume but it's offered. That gives you an idea what's in demand, mostly subcompacts and compacts. The EcoSport was a break-out hit, though. It's the best-selling "utilitario", which basically means any thing that isn't a car. It's based on the Fiesta, so it's pretty tiny. It looks like a scaled down Escape. I think a crossover the size of an Escape would stand a chance, but the T-X would just be too big and costly. I did the math last time I visited, and gasoline comes out to roughly $6.12 per gallon. Diesel is just $4.83 per, but it's not the low-sulfur variety. They sell Ethanol for just $4.14 per gallon, so vehicles capable of running on flex-fuel, i.e. gas or ethanol, are in demand now. It's a very different market, obviously. Cars are priced much higher, as is the fuel, so you can choose between two sizes: small and smaller.
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I am getting 33 MPG with my 2008 Rouge, fully loaded doewn so long as I keep it at 60 MPH and just at 2000 RPM!
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Replying to: mega1gator (Sep 13, 2008 12:26 pm) We can break 30 on our Forester as well, also by keeping speeds down. Problem is, limits are 65 in some places, and everyone else is moving a lot faster. Here's a euro-only (for now) Forester diesel: http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencaradvisor/2008/09/subaru-selects-forester-europe-- only-sorry-for-beefier-cleaner-new-diesel.html 38.5mpg on the european cycle, but it won't meet CARB standards without AdBlue urea injections. |
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Replying to: mega1gator (Sep 13, 2008 12:26 pm) I don't want to brag (oh wait, yes I do...), but my Freestyle does 60 mph at 1600 rpm. The Freestyle's CVT wide rang of ratios are: Low ratio: 2.47:1 High ratio: 0.41:1 Final Drive Ratio: 4.98:1 See Freestyle list of specs .. click here Come to think of it, I seem to remember my previous minivans would do about 2000 or so at 60 mph, so I don't think thats too exciting in the Rogue.
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Replying to: coldcranker (Sep 15, 2008 7:53 pm) Plus we'd have to look at how rich (or lean) that mixture had to be to carry that load, and the Rogue is lighter. If you have a trip computer and set your cruise control you can see how the mileage numbers drop when you're going uphill, and climb while you drive downhill, all due to the lean or rich fuel mix. RPM is just one factor. Let's look at an example. Compare a Corvette to the Enclave. Corvette has ultra-tall gearing and great aerodynamics and weighs 1700 lbs less than the Buick, yet EPA highway figures are the same. Huh? Why? Displacement. Each revolution of the crank it's sucking in nearly double the air/fuel mix, and you can't go too lean else you'll torch the pistons in your 'vette. The Rogue will simply get better mileage on the highway, naturally, as it should.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 16, 2008 11:33 am) A vehicle's highway MPG is governed greatly by how much aero drag it has to push through, and how close to the peak torque point it can operate at, where its most efficient, as pumping losses in the air intake are lowest there.
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Replying to: coldcranker (Sep 16, 2008 7:45 pm) When you have a Trip Computer and get bored on a long trip, you pay attention to things like that. 
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