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7126 messages,  Last post on Nov 18, 2009 at 1:27 PM

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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Buy American [volkov] by coldcranker
Sep 03, 2008 (1:59 pm)
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Replying to: volkov (Sep 03, 2008 12:09 pm)

volkov said: "The country of origin for a manufacturer now has less and less importance to the economy of that country and its workers than ever before. "
 
You are just counting who assembles the vehicles in factories, not where they were engineered. I am a mechanical engineer, and I can tell you, the best jobs are the ones where the vehicle is engineered, not necessarily just the factory jobs. Both are important, but don't you think a large number of high-paying $90,000 per year jobs in vehicle engineering are important? I do. Do you know how much income tax is collected on those income levels compared to lower-paying factory jobs? My family pays 4 times the income tax to the Feds/state than a factory worker's family, due to non-proportional progressive tax rates. ( As a side note, I once saw a county refuse construction of a new microchip factory in Oregon because the jobs were all low-paying factory jobs and they could not collect enough state/county income tax to pay for the huge influx of low-paying worker's public services at those low income levels!)
 
That being said, I understand John Q. Public just looking at the best performing, best value vehicle for them personally, without noticing who makes it. It is market competition. Just give American-designed vehicles a fair shake. Those vehicles are most Ford, GM-brands, Chrysler/Dodge. Japanese makes do some engineering here, but not the toughest engineering work in the U.S., mostly just styling exercises and corporate espionage ( I personally know of one Honda Research Labs engineer in Colorado whose job it is to steal any available tech from the U.S. aerospace and auto industry for possible applications in Japanese Hondas, but that is another novel.)
 
By the way, for myself and many other mechanical engineers I know, we are proud of vehicles such as the Ford Freestyle/500/Taurus and Ford F150s, the two vehicles I own, as thoroughly engineered and tough competition. Very well built vehicles, especially for the money (no expensive BMW comparisons pa-leeze!).
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Re: Buy American [coldcranker] by nimimi
Sep 03, 2008 (2:17 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Sep 03, 2008 1:59 pm)

There are, however, instances where the vehicle is engineered, designed, and built in the USA (e.g., Toyota Avalon).
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Re: Buy American [volkov] by manufan1
Sep 03, 2008 (2:18 pm)
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Replying to: volkov (Sep 03, 2008 12:09 pm)

I knew I would see some replies like this.
 
My concern is that money goes to which headquarter office and who controls that amount of profit. For example same American workers, but different bosses, to me it is a big difference; Getting paid by an American boss is different from a Japanese, there are also many other aspects would be affected by that....When amount of money belongs to someone and in his pocket, it doesn't matter where he is traveling to.
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Re: rav4 or nissan rogue? [tigerlily3] by fred25
Sep 03, 2008 (6:17 pm)
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Replying to: tigerlily3 (Sep 02, 2008 7:48 pm)

Tigerlily3
 
Also keep in mind that if you use regular gas you will also loose gas mileage. But what is critical since the XT is a high performance engine you may damage the turbo and you could void the warranty.
 
I have owned a 2001 Forester and you will discover it is a solid well build vehicle. IMO it has one of the best AWD systems in the industry. Just ask any of the members on this board that owns a subaru what they think.
 
best of luck to you on your choice.
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Re: Buy American [manufan1] by nikbert
Sep 04, 2008 (5:28 am)
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Replying to: manufan1 (Sep 03, 2008 2:18 pm)

Please take this political discussion elsewhere, this is a wrong forum for it. Next you guys are going to tell me what to think...
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Re: Buy American [nikbert] by ateixeira
Sep 04, 2008 (6:59 am)
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Replying to: nikbert (Sep 04, 2008 5:28 am)

I agree, take that crap to the Domestic vs. Import threads.
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Re: rav4 or nissan rogue? [fred25] by elizabeth15
Sep 04, 2008 (8:12 am)
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Replying to: fred25 (Sep 03, 2008 6:17 pm)

Ok got it. it's not even that much more to put in premium for the amount of driving I do.
Thanks for all your help!
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Reminder by tidester HOST
Sep 04, 2008 (10:50 am)
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The topic is comparing crossover SUVs. We are not comparing political theories, imports vs. domestic or pet conspiracy theories. Let's stick to the designated topic.
 
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Re: Reminder [tidester] by coldcranker
Sep 04, 2008 (2:21 pm)
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Replying to: tidester (Sep 04, 2008 10:50 am)

Might comparing them take into account who they were designed and built by? Patriotism is a motivation for people comparing vehicles. Granted, product attributes may be the deciding factor for some who just don't care. People need to make up their own mind about who they want to buy a product from, regardless of pressure from people who pretend the world is simple and level.
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Re: Reminder [coldcranker] by tidester HOST
Sep 04, 2008 (2:32 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Sep 04, 2008 2:21 pm)

Patriotism is a motivation for people comparing vehicles.
 
That may be so but patriotism is still not the topic here. I think most people know where the cars are being built and can weigh the domestic versus import factor for themselves. Clearly, there may issues regarding who is building the vehicles, say Toyota vs. GM vs. BMW but the issue here is not Japan vs. U.S. vs. Germany etc. It's CUV vs. CUV.
 
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