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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: A scene I'm sure is playing everywhere [volkov] by ateixeira
Aug 12, 2008 (7:10 am)
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Replying to: volkov (Aug 11, 2008 10:30 am)

Have you seen the Kia Borrego ads? They're trying to pitch it as a luxury SUV.
 
I'm kind of surprised. I guess they have to market it to people who are immune to high gas prices.
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Re: A scene I'm sure is playing everywhere [ateixeira] by thegraduate
Aug 12, 2008 (7:13 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 12, 2008 7:10 am)

I like how they are tongue-in-cheek about the luxury part in those commercials though. They know they aren't a Lexus GX470 or anything like that, and they pretty much tell it.
 
Kia did miss the boat by 10 years on this one, though.
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Re: A scene I'm sure is playing everywhere [thegraduate] by ateixeira
Aug 12, 2008 (7:29 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Aug 12, 2008 7:13 am)

Agreed on both counts.
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by robm2
Aug 12, 2008 (1:59 pm)
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Similar situation, here. I've got a 2004 4-Runner SR5 V8 that I could given back on a lease, (before the bottom fell out of the truck/suv market), but instead paid out the residual.
 
As gas prices started climbing through the roof, my desire to drive the V8 started diminishing. However, I heard an interesting radio show, that unless you're dumping the truck/suv for a very cheap car, (Fit, Yaris, Versa, Aveo, etc), you will not be saving any money, as the savings in gas are outweighed by the depreciation in the vehicle.
 
Further, if you go from a truck/suv into a compact, or sub-compact vehicle, you are losing the function of the truck/suv that you purchased in the first place.
 
It is better to be light on the pedal of the truck/suv, and eek out the best mileage possible, presuming one has already paid for the vehicle.
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Re: [robm2] by bobw3
Aug 12, 2008 (3:34 pm)
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Replying to: robm2 (Aug 12, 2008 1:59 pm)

you will not be saving any money, as the savings in gas are outweighed by the depreciation in the vehicle.
 
Depends on how many miles you drive. You may end up saving thousands of dollars per year by unloading the SUV, so even if you lose $5000 in selling the SUV, you'll make that up in a couple of years in gas savings, again, depending on the miles you drive, the price of gas, and the MPG difference of the new car.
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Re: [bobw3] by ateixeira
Aug 13, 2008 (6:01 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Aug 12, 2008 3:34 pm)

That's why your true needs should determine what you end up with, just as they should have the day you bought the vehicle new.
 
I think the people complaining the loudest are the ones that didn't need a large SUV in the first place.
 
Folks who tow boats and really haul heavy loads will just grin and bear it. In fact I bet they'll be happy when the posuers trade down and lower demand for oil, dropping prices further.
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Re: [ateixeira] by coldcranker
Aug 13, 2008 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 13, 2008 6:01 am)

All this talk about how towing means you have to drive an old dinosaur body-on-frame SUV, thats mostly wrong. The Acadia/Outlook/Traverse/Enclave CUV clones with unit bodies and better MPG, will tow up to 4,500 lbs, which should be enough for most poeple. When not towing in those CUVs, you should be able to cruise on the highway at 25 MPG if you take it easy at about 60 to 65 mph. My short-bed '05 F150 V8 2wd, by comparison, can't seem to get over 20 MPG no matter what I do. Of course, if you get 4wd versions of CUVs or SUVs, then subtract 1.5 MPG. Point is, most people can just get a CUV (the subject of this forum).
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Re: [coldcranker] by ateixeira
Aug 13, 2008 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Aug 13, 2008 9:17 am)

4500 lbs is pretty decent, I guess I had my friend's race car and trailer in mind, and his is way over that limit.
 
Call it a middle weight, I suppose.
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Re: [coldcranker] by volkov
Aug 13, 2008 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Aug 13, 2008 9:17 am)

Depends what you are towing. Small to moderate sized weekend boat maybe. Some of us tow camping trailers. You better be towing a pop-up or at most a hybrid if that's your limit. Travel trailers capable of sleeping 6-7 (to reflect the seating capacity) are going to weigh that much dry, and be well beyond it loaded to camp and with the weight of passengers and gear subtracted from your towing capacity. (Don't forget that max towing is based on 150lb driver and otherwise empty vehicle).
Add to that the rule of thumb to keep your trailer to 85% of max limit for extended towing. Go to the RV boards and you'll see tons of threads where the old timers point out that even some tent trailers are over the limit of the V-6's towing them.
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Re: [coldcranker] by baggs32
Aug 13, 2008 (6:07 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Aug 13, 2008 9:17 am)

For 2009 Ford is making its trailer sway control standard on all of its BOF SUVs and trucks. As far as I can tell they are not even offering it on unibody vehicles, even the Flex which can tow 4500 lbs also IIRC. If I were towing, I'd want that extra safety feature and would sacrifice an mpg or two for it.

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