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7126 messages, Last post on Nov 18, 2009 at 1:27 PM
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Looks like the expert vehicle analysts at Car and Driver have tested the Flex, so we can get a better picture of where it stands relative to the CX-9, TaurusX, Edge, Acadia/Outlook/Traverse/Enclave, Freestyle, etc. Interesting observations made. The latest full test drive of the Flex appears in the Sept. '08 issue of Car and Driver, out now. I chuckled at some of the odd lines they had in there about the Flex: ---- styling is "T-square chic" ---- looks like a billboard starter kit ---- Look for the hilarious salesman-customer simulated conversation in there where they go over the Flex, Edge, and TaurusX, near the beginning of the article. Car and Driver hated the seats (looks like plastic bags, uncomfortable) and they say that understeer starts too soon in a turn. Otherwise, the Flex looks like quality materials, is very quiet, and feels very solid. For some reason, even though the GMC Acadia is slightly heavier, the Acadia is faster 0-60 than the Flex with about the same horsepower. The Flex and Acadia use the same transmission (maybe a little difference in gear ratios in there), so I guess the Acadia engine must have better low-end torque. It might be Acadia's direct injection, something the Flex unfortunately doesn't have in the current model. Fuel economy between the Flex and Acadia is about the same, with the 2009 Acadia possibly pulling ahead with the direct injection, so the Acadia/Outlook wins with better acceleration in a heavier vehicle, with lower fuel consumption on top of all that compared to the Flex. |
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jul 29, 2008 9:31 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jul 31, 2008 12:05 pm) The Odyssey is priced about middle of the pack, maybe about 1 or 2 thousand bucks separating it from a rival choice. There are much cheaper CUVs with some room inside. Any can be had for somewhere in the area of 20-30 thousand bucks. Now I see why the Journeys have been flying off dealers lots lately -- bargain. The cheapest Journey goes for $20,000. The cheapest XL-7 goes for $21,000. The cheapest Santa Fe goes for $22,000. The cheapest Odyssey minivan goes for $26,000. The cheapest Edge goes for $26,000. The cheapest Pilot goes for $27,000. The cheapest Veracruz goes for $27,000. The cheapest TaurusX goes for $27,000. The cheapest Flex goes for $28,000. The cheapest Outlook goes for $28,500. The cheapest CX-9 is $29,000. All MSRPs. I don't see a lot of difference, except for the Journey, XL-7, and Santa Fe seem to be the bargains in large-ish CUVs. Actually, with discounting, which Ford does more than anyone, the TaurusX and Edge are really priced at around $23k or so. I don't think Honda reduces their price much below sticker. (Anyone know of regular, habitual discounts on Hondas? I don't think they budge too often on price.)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jul 31, 2008 2:45 pm) I was pointing out the differences in the numbers from that comparison link listed above.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 01, 2008 7:46 am) You know what is really interesting and surprising is that the Toyota Sienna minivan is actually cheaper (Edmunds TMV) than the Hyundai Entourage! A Korean vehicle cheaper than a Japanese competitor? Amazing.
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Replying to: coldcranker (Aug 01, 2008 1:44 pm) National True Market Value (TMV®) Price $28,295 customize $28,680 customize $21,821 (this was the Ody) customize $26,790 customize $25,419 customize That's what I was referring to, e.g. your source. I was merely making an observations on the numbers you provided!  Perhaps the equipment levels were not comparable or new incentives have arrived since then. It's tricky to price an Entourage because their "Limited" model isn't truly loaded, a moonroof is still optional for instance. Of course Toyota is guilty there as well, you need a PhD to understand their options packages, plus they change it every year.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 04, 2008 6:49 am) The best way to compare is to start with the cheapest, base model of each. Most beginning with the '08 model year come with a lot of airbags and stability control standard, so the comparison is not bad. With options, the price can go up fast. Someone on a budget might shop for the base version of a given model. With that, the '08 Odyssey, if you can find a base version out there, is 6 thousand cheaper than an '09 Flex just appearing in showrooms. Someone stuck on getting a Honda might want the Pilot, at about 5,000 more than an Odyssey, and realize the model year-end deal on the Odyssey is the bargain. The base Odyssey LX is about the cost of the Suzuki XL-7, and I'd say the Odyssey is the better deal. However, with the XL-7, you can wear black leather when in it and look cool/tough because Suzuki also makes motorcycles, while the Odyssey minivan only looks good in front of Toys-R-Us.
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Replying to: coldcranker (Aug 04, 2008 8:49 am) Plus, you climb out of a crossover with a diaper bag and a little baby girl in your arms and it's sort of hard to look cool. Cute, maybe, but not cool.
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