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Replying to: coldcranker (Jul 28, 2008 3:00 pm) The Odyssey .3" longer, 1.2" wider, and .8" higher than the Flex. While the Flex has 4" more 2nd row legroom, the Odyssey has 8" more 3rd row legroom. Also, 9" more 2nd row hiproom and 7" more in the 3rd row. And the storage behind the 3rd row is 20CuFt for the Flex and 38.4 for the Odyssey. That's what I mean by design efficiency. But you're right that in comparison to an Acadia, the Flex measures up pretty good. The Journey is a foot shorter, so it's hard to compare.
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jul 29, 2008 9:31 am) Here's a challenge: Somebody name another unit-body vehicle (no truck-framed BOF vehicles allowed) that weighs more than the Lambda vehicles. I don't think mankind has ever produced a heavier unit body vehicle. The Chevy Traverse is listed at 5,015 lbs for the AWD version, and 4,722 for the 2WD version. By the way, for the Lambda 2WD models to get 17/24 EPA MPG scores is amazing for a 4700 lb vehicle. My '05 Ford F150 2WD weighs 100 lbs less, and it has enough iron in it to build a battleship, and only gets about 20 on the highway. (OK, a small battleship.) |
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| It looks like the unibody Q7 and GL550 V8 versions do weigh 5,400 lbs each, but they are not bigger in footprint than a Lambda anyway. I almost don't want to count those, since most people can't afford their $60,000 price tag, but they are the most massive unibody vehicles produced, unless anyone knows of any others. | |
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Looks like the expert vehicle analysts at Car and Driver have tested the Flex, so we can get a better picture of where it stands relative to the CX-9, TaurusX, Edge, Acadia/Outlook/Traverse/Enclave, Freestyle, etc. Interesting observations made. The latest full test drive of the Flex appears in the Sept. '08 issue of Car and Driver, out now. I chuckled at some of the odd lines they had in there about the Flex: ---- styling is "T-square chic" ---- looks like a billboard starter kit ---- Look for the hilarious salesman-customer simulated conversation in there where they go over the Flex, Edge, and TaurusX, near the beginning of the article. Car and Driver hated the seats (looks like plastic bags, uncomfortable) and they say that understeer starts too soon in a turn. Otherwise, the Flex looks like quality materials, is very quiet, and feels very solid. For some reason, even though the GMC Acadia is slightly heavier, the Acadia is faster 0-60 than the Flex with about the same horsepower. The Flex and Acadia use the same transmission (maybe a little difference in gear ratios in there), so I guess the Acadia engine must have better low-end torque. It might be Acadia's direct injection, something the Flex unfortunately doesn't have in the current model. Fuel economy between the Flex and Acadia is about the same, with the 2009 Acadia possibly pulling ahead with the direct injection, so the Acadia/Outlook wins with better acceleration in a heavier vehicle, with lower fuel consumption on top of all that compared to the Flex. |
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jul 29, 2008 9:31 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jul 31, 2008 12:05 pm) The Odyssey is priced about middle of the pack, maybe about 1 or 2 thousand bucks separating it from a rival choice. There are much cheaper CUVs with some room inside. Any can be had for somewhere in the area of 20-30 thousand bucks. Now I see why the Journeys have been flying off dealers lots lately -- bargain. The cheapest Journey goes for $20,000. The cheapest XL-7 goes for $21,000. The cheapest Santa Fe goes for $22,000. The cheapest Odyssey minivan goes for $26,000. The cheapest Edge goes for $26,000. The cheapest Pilot goes for $27,000. The cheapest Veracruz goes for $27,000. The cheapest TaurusX goes for $27,000. The cheapest Flex goes for $28,000. The cheapest Outlook goes for $28,500. The cheapest CX-9 is $29,000. All MSRPs. I don't see a lot of difference, except for the Journey, XL-7, and Santa Fe seem to be the bargains in large-ish CUVs. Actually, with discounting, which Ford does more than anyone, the TaurusX and Edge are really priced at around $23k or so. I don't think Honda reduces their price much below sticker. (Anyone know of regular, habitual discounts on Hondas? I don't think they budge too often on price.)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jul 31, 2008 2:45 pm) I was pointing out the differences in the numbers from that comparison link listed above.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 01, 2008 7:46 am) You know what is really interesting and surprising is that the Toyota Sienna minivan is actually cheaper (Edmunds TMV) than the Hyundai Entourage! A Korean vehicle cheaper than a Japanese competitor? Amazing.
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Replying to: coldcranker (Aug 01, 2008 1:44 pm) National True Market Value (TMV®) Price $28,295 customize $28,680 customize $21,821 (this was the Ody) customize $26,790 customize $25,419 customize That's what I was referring to, e.g. your source. I was merely making an observations on the numbers you provided!  Perhaps the equipment levels were not comparable or new incentives have arrived since then. It's tricky to price an Entourage because their "Limited" model isn't truly loaded, a moonroof is still optional for instance. Of course Toyota is guilty there as well, you need a PhD to understand their options packages, plus they change it every year.
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