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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: GMC Acadia [baggs32] by dooga
Jul 26, 2008 (10:45 am)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jul 26, 2008 7:17 am)

This is an SUV Forum, not a "General Forum
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Re: GMC Acadia [dooga] by baggs32
Jul 26, 2008 (5:18 pm)
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Replying to: dooga (Jul 26, 2008 10:45 am)

Yeah, and the entire article was about an SUV. They compared a specific aspect of that SUV to a brand that had a bad rep in the past, that's all. Since I posted the article in an SUV forum is that supposed to mean it changes what the author wrote? What don't you get?
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Re: GMC Acadia [coldcranker] by kellz
Jul 26, 2008 (7:59 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jul 24, 2008 10:23 am)

I thought the Q7 was nice inside. It was just too big on the outside for such a small size on the inside. I liked the R-class more, despite it's more vanish look (is there something wrong with saying van on this board?). Andit was too true SUV for me. I came to the conclusion the Enclave was a better buy because it offers comparable luxury and a better ride for thousands less.
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Saw Ford Flex Today by kellz
Jul 26, 2008 (8:16 pm)
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I was leaving the gym and saw a pearl white one. The old guy driving it must have noticed me trying to get a closer look from the next lane because he pulled away like he didn't want to be bothered. He must not have realized he was being chased by something German (wow, I sound so dangerous). As I was passing I realized how large this car is. It was huge. The veiw from the back looks nice, but I disiked it from every other angle. It may still grow on me, but for now it looks like the big box it is.
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Re: Saw Ford Flex Today [kellz] by coldcranker
Jul 27, 2008 (3:02 pm)
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Replying to: kellz (Jul 26, 2008 8:16 pm)

The thing about the Flex is that there is no better way to package the most interior space than a box, so there it is. Suburban/Tahoe owners will appreciate it. Big brother to the Scion XB and BMW MiniCooper.
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Re: Saw Ford Flex Today [coldcranker] by bobw3
Jul 28, 2008 (7:20 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jul 27, 2008 3:02 pm)

On the one hand, it's true that a boxy shape is the most efficient, but on the other hand, the Flex isn't very efficient is you look at it's exterior dimensions compared to it's interior dimensions. And Odyssey or Sienna has much more interior space for the same (or less) exterior dimensions. Don't kid yourself thinking that the Flex's box shape is for effeciency...it's strictly a styling gimmick.
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Re: Veracruz handling [baggs32] by fpostadan
Jul 28, 2008 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jul 21, 2008 5:31 pm)

My FIL was complaining about his '07 Veracruz Limited...
 
Anyone else experience this in a VC? I haven't driven it yet and was wondering if the handling was a little sloppy or if he's just not used to it yet. But it has been in his garage nearly a year now.

  
My normal driving the 08 VC handling feels as if the
-vehicle has the capability to do more if you push it to the limit type - of feeling. I hope I am making sense. I have not ,pushed it to the limit to where I would see the ESC Electronic Stability Control indicator blinking on the dash when engaged.
 
I think 07 VC was Hyundai's first year on this vehicle.
 
Maybe I am just too biased but I haven't owed a new car, just used cars (95 Altima SE and an old school 73 Mustange) until now. Though I get to feel some new cars from race simulators through the PC or game console.
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Re: Saw Ford Flex Today [bobw3] by coldcranker
Jul 28, 2008 (3:00 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jul 28, 2008 7:20 am)

The Flex has the narrowest width of all these in comparison: Compare Flex to Other Big Vehicles click here. Scroll down when in there to see the exterior dimensions and interior room measurements.
 
I like the slightly narrower width of the Flex; makes it easier to park. Its not quite so portly (aka, "fat") as the others, yet has great interior space. The rear legroom of the Flex is huge compared to the others. This would make a great limo!
 
I like Edmunds comparison tool, so I'll bring in the TaurusX (Freestyle) and Dodge Journey. Here it is: Add TaurusX and Journey to the comparison -- click here. Note how the Flex has about the same exterior dimensions as the TaurusX(Freestyle), yet the only big advantage of the Flex is HUGE rear seat legroom! I do like the extra headroom up front of the Flex, too. The extra exterior inch width of the Flex over the TaurusX does not seem to be put to good use, as the doors of the Flex must be thicker than the TaurusX doors.
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Re: Saw Ford Flex Today [coldcranker] by bobw3
Jul 29, 2008 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jul 28, 2008 3:00 pm)

Good link you provided, but here's one with 3rd row data too: http://www.cars.com/go/compare/trimCompare.jsp?acodes=USB90FOS351A0,USB80HOV011A- 0
 
The Odyssey .3" longer, 1.2" wider, and .8" higher than the Flex. While the Flex has 4" more 2nd row legroom, the Odyssey has 8" more 3rd row legroom. Also, 9" more 2nd row hiproom and 7" more in the 3rd row. And the storage behind the 3rd row is 20CuFt for the Flex and 38.4 for the Odyssey. That's what I mean by design efficiency.
 
But you're right that in comparison to an Acadia, the Flex measures up pretty good. The Journey is a foot shorter, so it's hard to compare.
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Lambda vehicles may be the biggest we'll ever see by coldcranker
Jul 29, 2008 (2:38 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jul 29, 2008 9:31 am)

The Acadia/Outlook/Enclave/Traverse (aka Lambda brethren) are so big, we may be seeing the max peak size of non-minivan crossover unit-body SUVs right now, with gas prices the way they are and expected to get higher (China/India gas demand in future, etc.) In fact, I doubt minivans will even grow any bigger either, as the largest minivans are about equal to the Lambdas as it stands now. I think the Sienna is the biggest. It will be interesting to see if the automakers don't downsize a bit; at least a few inches in length and width for their future biggest stuff. The new EPA fuel economy laws (35 MPG by 2020) means vehicles will be shrinking a bit anyway, and people are migrating toward smaller vehicles on their own with gas prices at or above $3.50/gallon or so.
 
Here's a challenge: Somebody name another unit-body vehicle (no truck-framed BOF vehicles allowed) that weighs more than the Lambda vehicles. I don't think mankind has ever produced a heavier unit body vehicle.
 
The Chevy Traverse is listed at 5,015 lbs for the AWD version, and 4,722 for the 2WD version. By the way, for the Lambda 2WD models to get 17/24 EPA MPG scores is amazing for a 4700 lb vehicle. My '05 Ford F150 2WD weighs 100 lbs less, and it has enough iron in it to build a battleship, and only gets about 20 on the highway. (OK, a small battleship.)

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