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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: GMC Acadia [wlbrown9] by coldcranker
Jul 24, 2008 (10:23 am)
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Replying to: wlbrown9 (Jul 24, 2008 7:51 am)

kellz and wlbrown9,
The Acadia/Outlook/Traverse/Enclaves are good choices for those needing the size. I once tried to convince Audi Q7 V6-version owners to switch to GM's offerings because I noticed the exterior dimensions are about the same between the Q7 and GM lambdas. Most of the arguments for the Q7 centered around "it must be better because its German". I think GM has a comparable product for less $$$$.
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Re: Veracruz handling [coldcranker] by baggs32
Jul 24, 2008 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jul 24, 2008 10:08 am)

But it did have a front anti-roll bar, which can do a lot on its own.
 
Yes it does. However you said "anti-roll bars" which refers to both the front AND the back. That is what I was responding to and why I pointed out the Escape example.
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Re: GMC Acadia [coldcranker] by baggs32
Jul 24, 2008 (1:07 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jul 24, 2008 10:23 am)

Most of the arguments for the Q7 centered around "it must be better because its German". I think GM has a comparable product for less $$$$.
 
MT feels differently. It's not directly compared to an Acadia in this article, but I don't see how the two could compare in any way after reading their take.
 
Your opinion may hold more water than theirs, but it certainly doesn't agree!
 
MT Q7 Long Term Verdict.
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Re: GMC Acadia [baggs32] by coldcranker
Jul 24, 2008 (7:12 pm)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jul 24, 2008 1:07 pm)

Interesting Motor Trend article you cited.
Note they tested a 350 HP V8 model, plenty of power; not the V6 model. A lot of what they liked about it had to do with the good acceleration. The GM Lambdas do very well in the handling department but can't out-accelerate the Audi V8. Audi did a good job with that vehicle, but the GM Lambdas can be had for $10,000 less than an Audi V6 model (comparable model) and still provide 95% of the aplomb. And the Audio V8 version of the Q7is a $60,000 vehicle and can't be compared with the GM lambdas.
 
The car magazines should test a $40,000 Buick Enclave against a $43,000 Audi Q7 V6 version, and the Enclave might win or get very close.
 
And, in the Motor Trend article you cited, they like the Q7's aluminum suspension components. I have to point out that GM put aluminum suspension components in my parents 2000 Buick Park Avenue and Ford put aluminum lower control arms (big parts there) in my '05 F150 2wd pickup I got for $18,000 new, so aluminum components are in much less expensive vehicles, too. The current GM lambdas probably have aluminum as well, although I don't know if they do, as high-strength steel does very well there too.
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Re: GMC Acadia [coldcranker] by bobw3
Jul 25, 2008 (3:43 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jul 24, 2008 10:23 am)

I once tried to convince Audi Q7 V6-version owners to switch to GM's offerings because I noticed the exterior dimensions are about the same
 
Hmmmm....you could use this same argument to trying and convince a BMW 3 series owner to drive a Malibu, but I don't think it would work.
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Re: GMC Acadia [coldcranker] by wlbrown9
Jul 25, 2008 (6:17 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jul 24, 2008 10:23 am)

I read the MT Q7 long term test. $60K and it rattles like a 15 year old Hyundai . My impression of Audi vs GM would be "how much more for a major repair at say 60K-80K on the Audi than on the GM?" I know I can get a reasonable 60-72 month 90K-100K bumper - bumper real GM extended warranty, can you get that on the Audi? $30-$40K for a reasonably loaded GM is more my top.
 
Still trying to decide what to go with when I replace my Trooper, will probably keep the Envoy XL my wife drives for another couple of years...that covers the 6-7 passenger when needed and extra luggage room when traveling. I would love to have the 6-7 passenger hauler, but could probably replace the 5 passenger Trooper for quite a few $K less. I also need a minimum 3500 lb tow rating so that would probably leave out some possibilites that would work otherwise. As long as the Trooper keeps running I don't have much urgency to change...but I still get the new vehicle itch.
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Re: GMC Acadia [bobw3] by coldcranker
Jul 25, 2008 (10:41 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jul 25, 2008 3:43 am)

bobw3 said: "....convince a BMW 3 series owner to drive a Malibu...."
 
The BMW 3-series is one of those German cars worth the price. The Audi Q7 is not.
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Re: GMC Acadia [wlbrown9] by dooga
Jul 26, 2008 (6:33 am)
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Replying to: wlbrown9 (Jul 25, 2008 6:17 am)

I was not aware that Hyundai made a crossover SUV 15 years ago. I have a 2007 Santa Fe and its the only vehicle I've owned that doesn't rattle, (Chevy's, Fords, Jeeps, Suzuki, Porsche). I guess I have another 14 years to enjoy before I have a rattle.
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Re: GMC Acadia [dooga] by baggs32
Jul 26, 2008 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: dooga (Jul 26, 2008 6:33 am)

I was not aware that Hyundai made a crossover SUV 15 years ago.
 
They didn't. If you read the article is does not state that the Hyundai in question was an SUV, CUV, sedan, or coupe. It only states the brand Hyundai in general.
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Re: GMC Acadia [baggs32] by dooga
Jul 26, 2008 (10:45 am)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jul 26, 2008 7:17 am)

This is an SUV Forum, not a "General Forum

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