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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Gas prices killing the crossover too? [coldcranker] by robr2
Jun 26, 2008 (6:14 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jun 25, 2008 5:14 pm)

coldcranker - perhaps you are unaware that atexeira is one of the resident subiphiles here at Edmunds. As long as there is a suitable Subaru available, he'll prefer it over most any other brand - isn't that right juice??
 
 
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Re: Gas prices killing the crossover too? [coldcranker] by baggs32
Jun 26, 2008 (10:10 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jun 25, 2008 5:14 pm)

Based on the Freestyle/TaurusX/Volvo platform, that Flex is one big slab-sided bus if there ever was one. Paint it yellow and take the neighborhood kids to school.
 
I think you're being confused by the pictures of the Flex. Go see one in person (a lot of dealers have one or two by now) and you'll most likely change your mind. The Flex is a good bit shorter than the Lamdas and does not have the same exterior bulk to it nor does it look as heavy (even though it is). I was actually surprised by how small the Flex looked in person when it looked so large in the pictures.
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Re: Gas prices killing the crossover too? [baggs32] by coldcranker
Jun 26, 2008 (2:51 pm)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jun 26, 2008 10:10 am)

The Flex is actually longer than the Lambdas (Acadia) by 1 inch. The Acadia does have a 1 inch longer wheelbase, though. The Acadia is 2 inches wider. Very comparable in size. The TaurusX, the Flex's slightly smaller platform cousin, weights about 4000 lbs, so the Flex is expected to be about 4500 lbs, within 200 lbs of the Acadia.
Comparison Click Here...
 
I saw a Flex at an auto show this year. The slab sides did make it look like the Incredible Hulk version of the mini-cooper. Too big for me, but not by much. I prefer the TaurusX/Freestyle size. Any vehicle bigger than my Freestyle better be a truck (my other vehicle is an '05 F150). You could use the Flex as a school bus, as minivans do now. Good large-family vehicle.
 
Of course, the real problem with the Flex is the horrible aerodynamics. At least the Freestyle, TaurusX, and Acadia make some attempt at streamlining. It looks like the Flex exterior was designed to go no faster than 45 mph, given the flat surfaces. I wonder if wind noise will be a problem with such a simple shape. I would have liked it if the front end looked a little like the Murano instead of a brick.
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Re: Gas prices killing the crossover too? [coldcranker] by baggs32
Jun 26, 2008 (4:06 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jun 26, 2008 2:51 pm)

I was referring to the height when I said "shorter". I should have been clearer.
 
I wonder if wind noise will be a problem with such a simple shape.
 
Read the reviews. It's as quiet as a tomb inside. And not because it looks somewhat like one.
 
I personally think it looks fantastic in person and would love to own one. Price will be the big issue for us when we're due for a new vehicle in a few months. Now that Ford has opted to package more into the 3 trim levels and offer fewer a la carte options, getting one equipped the way I want drives the price close to $40k. I can get all the space I need in an Explorer or a TX and save about $10k and $5k respecitvely in doing so. That pays for a lot of gas.
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Re: Gas prices killing the crossover too? [robr2] by ateixeira
Jun 30, 2008 (7:42 am)
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Replying to: robr2 (Jun 26, 2008 6:14 am)

Well, maybe, but keep in mind I commute in a Mazda Miata and my weekend/family car is a Toyota Sienna.
 
Ironically the only Subaru in my driveway is my wife's Forester.
 
The Taurus X was not even close to what she wanted. We were looking for something significantly smaller than the minivan, and the Forester is a full 20" shorter in length than the X. Plus we put fuel efficiency as a top priority, though it had to be a wagon bodystyle and have AWD. EPA city for the Forester is 20mpg vs. 15 for the X, a huge difference.
 
People don't realize how compact the Forester is - it's shorter than the Chevy Cobalt in overall length. This tidy size plus excellent visibility make it a cinch to maneuver and park, yet it's still roomy inside (maybe that's why people think it's big?).
 
Basically we already have a big car.
 
To be honest if I shop at the Ford dealer to replace the van (not any time soon, mind you) I would drive a Flex. I like the gigantic Mini Cooper look it has.
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Re: Gas prices killing the crossover too? [coldcranker] by ateixeira
Jun 30, 2008 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jun 24, 2008 12:23 pm)

a structurally optimized platform costing less than the Volvo or Land Rover versions
 
Don't say that around volvomax. I'll let the two of you debate this, here's his position:
 
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ee9c851/35585
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Re: Gas prices killing the crossover too? [ateixeira] by coldcranker
Jun 30, 2008 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 30, 2008 8:40 am)

ateixeira, Thanks for the link to volvomax above. I mostly agree with him. It is true that the Volvo has more boron steel than the cheaper Freestyle, as I've seen a Ford engineering presentation that revealed what they did. However, the Freestyle crash tests very well, it does contain Ford custom structural optimizations, and it has retained much of the Volvo XC90 structural tricks as well. Also, the Freestyle has side curtain airbags that wrap around over your head. I paid $22,500 for my Freestyle instead of $40,000 for the Volvo XC90, for very good safety features.
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Re: Gas prices killing the crossover too? [coldcranker] by ateixeira
Jul 01, 2008 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jun 30, 2008 11:16 am)

Sounds like a good value.
 
We really wanted something compact this time around. Big inside, but small outside, for sure.
 
I did test drive a Freestyle before we purchased our Minivan.
 
Oops I said the M-word again.
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Press Request by KarenS HOST
Jul 01, 2008 (1:18 pm)
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A reporter from a large local newspaper is looking to speak to recent minivan buyers and minivan shoppers that ended up purchasing an SUV or crossover. If you’re interested in speaking to the reporter, please contact Jonathan Wahl at jwahledmunds.com with your daytime contact information no later than July 3 2008.
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Re: Press Request [KarenS] by coldcranker
Jul 02, 2008 (3:56 pm)
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Replying to: KarenS (Jul 01, 2008 1:18 pm)

A Press Request, eh? That interview will go something like this: "I thought minivans were associated with soccer moms and diapers, so I bought a crossover to save my image of a tough person, even though the most daring thing I do is watch golf on TV."
 
In reality, a minivan will usually do the job better than a crossover. My Freestyle, however, is almost a boxy minivan anyway, so I go crossover withough giving up much.

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