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#6482 of 7127 Re: 2003-2008 Pilot [stevedebi] by freealfas Apr 24, 2008 (11:27 am)
Replying to: stevedebi (Apr 24, 2008 11:21 am) "The VTM-4 system has a dashboard switch that locks both rear half-shafts to get the driver unstuck, but it operates in just the first two gears and unlocks at 18 mph (29 km/h). Otherwise, the system operates primarily in front-wheel drive and sends torque to the rear wheels when spin is detected up front. "
#6483 of 7127 Re: 2009 Pilot [bobw3] by stevedebi Apr 24, 2008 (11:27 am)
Replying to: bobw3 (Apr 23, 2008 4:39 pm) "The Pilot was around long before the term CUV was even used. The Pilot used to be called a SUV then, but now that the CUV term is being used, why does the Pilot have to use it? Of course...because albook says so"   The question for me vis-a-vis CUV or SUV is where the vehicle originated. A CUV is based on a passenger design. Thus the CR-V was based on the Civic (ruggedized). I think that the Pilot was based on the Odyssey platform.   In my opinion an SUV has to be custom designed for heavy "utility" use, not based on a passenger vehicle. Note that starting from a truck design still makes it an SUV; trucks are designed for utility use. Cars and vans are not.   By this standard the GM "Acadians" are CUV, since they were designed to passenger standards.
#6484 of 7127 Re: 2003-2008 Pilot [stevedebi] by thegraduate Apr 24, 2008 (11:27 am)
Replying to: stevedebi (Apr 24, 2008 11:21 am) When the vehicle is stuck, or likely to become so, simply pushing a dash-mounted VTM-4 button will lock-in an equal power split between the front and rear wheels. Although this may not be a true 4-wheel drive setup, it accomplishes much the same results when the ultimate in traction is required.   The button is just to the left of the CD Player, under the flashers. Replies to this message: stevedebi (Apr 24, 2008 11:31 am) thegraduate (Apr 24, 2008 11:38 am) baggs32 (Apr 24, 2008 1:21 pm) thegraduate (Apr 24, 2008 3:13 pm) dbt (Apr 24, 2008 7:09 pm) bmr123 (Apr 24, 2008 7:44 pm) thegraduate (Apr 25, 2008 12:40 pm) bobw3 (Apr 25, 2008 4:02 pm) baggs32 (Apr 25, 2008 4:36 pm) and 1 more...
#6485 of 7127 Re: 2003-2008 Pilot [thegraduate] by stevedebi Apr 24, 2008 (11:31 am)
Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 24, 2008 11:27 am) "When the vehicle is stuck, or likely to become so, simply pushing a dash-mounted VTM-4 button will lock-in an equal power split between the front and rear wheels. "   The post to which I was replying did not mention a switch. It's good to know this is available.   How about Limited Slip? Is that available?   (I was going to say "How about LSD?", but I thought people might get a bit confused!) Replies to this message: thegraduate (Apr 24, 2008 11:38 am)
#6486 of 7127 Re: 2003-2008 Pilot [stevedebi] by thegraduate Apr 24, 2008 (11:38 am)
Replying to: stevedebi (Apr 24, 2008 11:31 am) Limited slip wasn't mentioned, but the button was mentioned in an earlier post I had made which had to be removed because the picture was too wide, so I tried again, and this time posted it with a reviewer's explanation of the button.
#6487 of 7127 Re: 2003-2008 Pilot [thegraduate] by baggs32 Apr 24, 2008 (1:21 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 24, 2008 11:27 am) The original 2001-2004 Escape had a similar system. It's gone now though and has been replaced with an all electronic 4WD system. I owned both and liked the original better to be honest. I would guess that button in the Pilot does the same thing and locks the front and rear with 50/50 power.   BTW, you mentioned that that button is like what you'd find in an Explorer, Jeep, etc. Our Explorer has 3 buttons for the 4WD. Auto, 4-Hi, and 4-Lo. There's actually a pretty big difference. Replies to this message: thegraduate (Apr 24, 2008 3:13 pm)
#6488 of 7127 Re: Can't read the posts!!! [thegraduate] by baggs32 Apr 24, 2008 (1:23 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 24, 2008 10:59 am) Whoops... didn't cause me a problem on my monitor.   That was actually kind of weird. The posts were hiddne behind the ads when I first came in but once I posted and a new page was created they were then stretched out and I could see them again.   I too have a BIG monitor so that wasn't the problem. Replies to this message: steve_ (Apr 24, 2008 2:05 pm)
#6489 of 7127 Re: Can't read the posts!!! [baggs32] by steve_ HOST Apr 24, 2008 (2:05 pm)
Replying to: baggs32 (Apr 24, 2008 1:23 pm) A "normal" sized photo may have been cached on your system. When you posted it, the photo blew out the margins for me and most others I suspect. Our forum software doesn't handle large photos very gracefully.
#6490 of 7127 Re: 2003-2008 Pilot [baggs32] by thegraduate Apr 24, 2008 (3:13 pm)
Replying to: baggs32 (Apr 24, 2008 1:21 pm) Number of times the average Explorer owner pushes "4Lo"... likely less than 2. I meant the interface was much the same for "locking" 4WD.
#6491 of 7127 Re: 2003-2008 Pilot [thegraduate] by dbt Apr 24, 2008 (7:09 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 24, 2008 11:27 am) When the vehicle is stuck, or likely to become so, simply pushing a dash-mounted VTM-4 button will lock-in an equal power split between the front and rear wheels. Although this may not be a true 4-wheel drive setup, it accomplishes much the same results when the ultimate in traction is required.   FYI: if you have a Pilot, when engaging VTM4 for these purposes, it is also recommended to disengage ESC (accomplished by a different button on the dash) for as long as VTM4 is needed.

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