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Crossover SUV Comparison

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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Juice - Sales trends revisited by baggs32
Apr 24, 2008 (9:56 am)
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I found some more CUV vs SUV vs minivan sales trends for you juice. Note that they state minivan sales are expected to be below 600k this year. Make sure you look at the graph at the end of the article too.
 
Click here for the article and graph.
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Re: Can't read the posts!!! [baggs32] by steve_ HOST
Apr 24, 2008 (10:02 am)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Apr 24, 2008 9:53 am)

Hey grad, your picture is too wide
 
What he said.
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Re: Can't read the posts!!! [steve_] by freealfas
Apr 24, 2008 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 24, 2008 10:02 am)

maybe he's just compensating....
 
just kidding... lol
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Re: Can't read the posts!!! [steve_] by thegraduate
Apr 24, 2008 (10:59 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 24, 2008 10:02 am)

Whoops... didn't cause me a problem on my monitor. Sorry about that. Looks like steve took care of it. Did y'all see what I was talking about though (the VTM button)?
 
Shouldn't that lock the Pilot into what is essentially "4WD HIGH" ?
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Re: 2003-2008 Pilot [piast] by stevedebi
Apr 24, 2008 (11:21 am)
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Replying to: piast (Apr 24, 2008 9:31 am)

"The Pilot uses four-wheel drive system called Variable Torque Management 4WD (VTM-4). "
 
Translation: No, the Pilot driver cannot manually lock the AWD system.
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Re: 2003-2008 Pilot [stevedebi] by freealfas
Apr 24, 2008 (11:27 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Apr 24, 2008 11:21 am)

"The VTM-4 system has a dashboard switch that locks both rear half-shafts to get the driver unstuck, but it operates in just the first two gears and unlocks at 18 mph (29 km/h). Otherwise, the system operates primarily in front-wheel drive and sends torque to the rear wheels when spin is detected up front. "
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Re: 2009 Pilot [bobw3] by stevedebi
Apr 24, 2008 (11:27 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Apr 23, 2008 4:39 pm)

"The Pilot was around long before the term CUV was even used. The Pilot used to be called a SUV then, but now that the CUV term is being used, why does the Pilot have to use it? Of course...because albook says so"
 
The question for me vis-a-vis CUV or SUV is where the vehicle originated. A CUV is based on a passenger design. Thus the CR-V was based on the Civic (ruggedized). I think that the Pilot was based on the Odyssey platform.
 
In my opinion an SUV has to be custom designed for heavy "utility" use, not based on a passenger vehicle. Note that starting from a truck design still makes it an SUV; trucks are designed for utility use. Cars and vans are not.
 
By this standard the GM "Acadians" are CUV, since they were designed to passenger standards.
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Re: 2003-2008 Pilot [stevedebi] by thegraduate
Apr 24, 2008 (11:27 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Apr 24, 2008 11:21 am)

When the vehicle is stuck, or likely to become so, simply pushing a dash-mounted VTM-4 button will lock-in an equal power split between the front and rear wheels. Although this may not be a true 4-wheel drive setup, it accomplishes much the same results when the ultimate in traction is required.
 

The button is just to the left of the CD Player, under the flashers.
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Re: 2003-2008 Pilot [thegraduate] by stevedebi
Apr 24, 2008 (11:31 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 24, 2008 11:27 am)

"When the vehicle is stuck, or likely to become so, simply pushing a dash-mounted VTM-4 button will lock-in an equal power split between the front and rear wheels. "
 
The post to which I was replying did not mention a switch. It's good to know this is available.
 
How about Limited Slip? Is that available?
 
(I was going to say "How about LSD?", but I thought people might get a bit confused!)
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Re: 2003-2008 Pilot [stevedebi] by thegraduate
Apr 24, 2008 (11:38 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Apr 24, 2008 11:31 am)

Limited slip wasn't mentioned, but the button was mentioned in an earlier post I had made which had to be removed because the picture was too wide, so I tried again, and this time posted it with a reviewer's explanation of the button.

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