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Re: 2009 Pilot [freealfas] by albook
Apr 23, 2008 (4:02 pm)
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Replying to: freealfas (Apr 22, 2008 7:49 pm)

The Cherokee- that's the one I always forget. However, the Pilot can't offroad like an SUV, especially like a Jeep. The Jeep can tow too. The Pilot can't do those. It can tow 4500lbs, but that's not really too much. And these things don't necessarily make an SUV, but all BOF SUVs (and a select few unibodies like the Cherokee and Toureg) have them. So Honda can market it how they want, but that's what it is.
 
Yet again, I logically defend my point.
 
And I never said the Lambdas are the only 8 pass CUV in the kiddie pool, I simply said the best (heh, jk).
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Re: 2009 Pilot [albook] by bobw3
Apr 23, 2008 (4:39 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Apr 23, 2008 4:02 pm)

The Pilot was around long before the term CUV was even used. The Pilot used to be called a SUV then, but now that the CUV term is being used, why does the Pilot have to use it? Of course...because albook says so
 
Now that's not saying that you can't compare the SUV Pilot against the CUV lambda, just like you can compare the minivan Odyssey against the CUV lamda, but just because you compare them doesn't change what they are.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [bobw3] by albook
Apr 23, 2008 (6:54 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Apr 23, 2008 4:39 pm)

"The Pilot was around long before the term CUV was even used."
 
Yes, and I think this is why Honda first began marketing the Pilot in this way.
 
"...why does the Pilot have to use it? Of course...because albook says so"
 
Finally, someone gets it
 
I guess it really doesn't matter how Honda markets it. It wouldn't change who buys it.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [albook] by freealfas
Apr 23, 2008 (7:52 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Apr 23, 2008 4:02 pm)

"However, the Pilot can't offroad like an SUV"
 
8"/8.3"(G.C.) of ground clearance and short front/rear overhangs preclude it going off road in your (al)book
 
"The Jeep can tow too'
 
if you line up 6 cyl models to compare apples to apples then the pilot wins 4500lbs vs. 3500lbs for the G.C.
 
this is my favorite though;
 
"And these things don't necessarily make an SUV, but all BOF SUVs (and a select few unibodies like the Cherokee and Toureg) have them"
 
so you want to have it both ways... you want to dismiss the pilot as not being a SUV because it doesn't meet these requirements you need it to have to be called a SUV. you then in the very same statement go on to dismiss the very criteria you use to measure the pilot's lack of SUV-ness as any definable measure of SUV's in general other than to say they all have them.
 
at this point you can make an argument the lambda's are SUV's, the CX's, any of them for that matter as they can all tow to an extent and can go off road in some manner.
 
"Yet again, I logically defend my point. "
 
corrected... yet again, I made NO point...
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Re: 2009 Pilot [freealfas] by piast
Apr 24, 2008 (5:12 am)
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Replying to: freealfas (Apr 23, 2008 7:52 pm)

Don't forget about high/ low range 4WD. Anything with automatic (on demand) AWD used to be called CUV. Just a thought.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [piast] by thegraduate
Apr 24, 2008 (8:58 am)
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Replying to: piast (Apr 24, 2008 5:12 am)

Question: Does the Pilot have the lockable AWD? I know it used to have a button in which you could lock it 50/50 on the fly. Or at least I think it did... it has been years (4) since I've been in a Pilot.
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Re: 2003-2008 Pilot [thegraduate] by piast
Apr 24, 2008 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 24, 2008 8:58 am)

The Pilot uses four-wheel drive system called Variable Torque Management 4WD (VTM-4). VTM-4 is a proactive system that combines the best features of modern on-demand and conventional four-wheel drive systems. Most of the time, the Pilot goes down the road in front-wheel drive. But when you put your foot down, VTM-4's brain tells electromagnetic clutches to engage the drive to the rear wheels, and even more torque is shuttled to the rear if wheel slip is registered. The VTM-4 predicts your need for more traction.
Not designed to be an SUV-wannabe, the Pilot was engineered with medium-duty off- road capabilities including eight inches of ground clearance, an 28-degree approach angle, 21-degree departure and break over angles and the ability to climb a 28-degree dirt slope from a standing stop.
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Can't read the posts!!! by baggs32
Apr 24, 2008 (9:53 am)
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Hey grad, your picture is too wide and is causing the posts to stretch under the ads to the right. Can you please shrink it or remove it?
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Juice - Sales trends revisited by baggs32
Apr 24, 2008 (9:56 am)
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I found some more CUV vs SUV vs minivan sales trends for you juice. Note that they state minivan sales are expected to be below 600k this year. Make sure you look at the graph at the end of the article too.
 
Click here for the article and graph.

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