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Re: 2009 Pilot [baggs32] by albook
Apr 22, 2008 (3:35 pm)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Apr 21, 2008 5:43 pm)

"It was a pleasant suprise to me..."
 
I won't say all that, but I though it wasn't ugly. It looked okay. Maybe it was becasue I saw that Fairlane concept in Chicago 3-4 years ago, so I knew what to expect. For right now, it's nowhere near my list, but then again, I'm not really in the market right now. In fact, two months ago, I replaced my 90's M3 with an '02 Mustang Cobra- and that's my play-car. So as you can see, I'm not too focused on that.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [albook] by baggs32
Apr 22, 2008 (5:27 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Apr 22, 2008 3:24 pm)

But the Pilot is a CUV. Period. It's unibody.
 
Your point is valid but Honda markets it as an SUV. Period.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [baggs32] by albook
Apr 22, 2008 (6:51 pm)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Apr 22, 2008 5:27 pm)

Yes, Honda does. That doesn't change what it is. Then again, it changed what the Pacifica and Freestyle were.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [albook] by freealfas
Apr 22, 2008 (7:49 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Apr 22, 2008 3:24 pm)

"But the Pilot is a CUV. Period. It's unibody. Styling doesn't change what something really is. It's a CUV and no one is fooled."
 
ahhh the world of absolute's is back...oppinion veiled as fact...
 
so to keep with your loosely termed logic, what do you consider the cherokee, grand cherokee???
 
from Edmund's....
 
"Unlike most other traditional SUVs from domestic automakers, the Jeep Grand Cherokee has always been built using a carlike unibody chassis rather than a body-on-frame design."
 
your opinions are strictly your's in some if not most cases... PERIOD... as one can indeed make an argument the Pilot is an SUV.
 
edmund's yet again;
 
"the Pilot tucks eight-passenger seating into an easy-to-maneuver midsize SUV body."
 
If I were you I'd let the Pilot stay in the SUV end of the pool as if you don't you can't say the Lambda's are the only 8 passenger option's out there in CUV land...
 
LOL
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New CUV Comparo by baggs32
Apr 23, 2008 (6:04 am)
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C&D just did a new semi-comparo of all the new CUVs including the new Pilot, Flex, and Traverse.
 
Click here for the photo page. The brief reviews of all of them are on the other 8 pages.
 
I have to say, that dash in the Highlander looks like a train wreck to me.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [freealfas] by albook
Apr 23, 2008 (4:02 pm)
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Replying to: freealfas (Apr 22, 2008 7:49 pm)

The Cherokee- that's the one I always forget. However, the Pilot can't offroad like an SUV, especially like a Jeep. The Jeep can tow too. The Pilot can't do those. It can tow 4500lbs, but that's not really too much. And these things don't necessarily make an SUV, but all BOF SUVs (and a select few unibodies like the Cherokee and Toureg) have them. So Honda can market it how they want, but that's what it is.
 
Yet again, I logically defend my point.
 
And I never said the Lambdas are the only 8 pass CUV in the kiddie pool, I simply said the best (heh, jk).
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Re: 2009 Pilot [albook] by bobw3
Apr 23, 2008 (4:39 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Apr 23, 2008 4:02 pm)

The Pilot was around long before the term CUV was even used. The Pilot used to be called a SUV then, but now that the CUV term is being used, why does the Pilot have to use it? Of course...because albook says so
 
Now that's not saying that you can't compare the SUV Pilot against the CUV lambda, just like you can compare the minivan Odyssey against the CUV lamda, but just because you compare them doesn't change what they are.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [bobw3] by albook
Apr 23, 2008 (6:54 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Apr 23, 2008 4:39 pm)

"The Pilot was around long before the term CUV was even used."
 
Yes, and I think this is why Honda first began marketing the Pilot in this way.
 
"...why does the Pilot have to use it? Of course...because albook says so"
 
Finally, someone gets it
 
I guess it really doesn't matter how Honda markets it. It wouldn't change who buys it.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [albook] by freealfas
Apr 23, 2008 (7:52 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Apr 23, 2008 4:02 pm)

"However, the Pilot can't offroad like an SUV"
 
8"/8.3"(G.C.) of ground clearance and short front/rear overhangs preclude it going off road in your (al)book
 
"The Jeep can tow too'
 
if you line up 6 cyl models to compare apples to apples then the pilot wins 4500lbs vs. 3500lbs for the G.C.
 
this is my favorite though;
 
"And these things don't necessarily make an SUV, but all BOF SUVs (and a select few unibodies like the Cherokee and Toureg) have them"
 
so you want to have it both ways... you want to dismiss the pilot as not being a SUV because it doesn't meet these requirements you need it to have to be called a SUV. you then in the very same statement go on to dismiss the very criteria you use to measure the pilot's lack of SUV-ness as any definable measure of SUV's in general other than to say they all have them.
 
at this point you can make an argument the lambda's are SUV's, the CX's, any of them for that matter as they can all tow to an extent and can go off road in some manner.
 
"Yet again, I logically defend my point. "
 
corrected... yet again, I made NO point...
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Re: 2009 Pilot [freealfas] by piast
Apr 24, 2008 (5:12 am)
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Replying to: freealfas (Apr 23, 2008 7:52 pm)

Don't forget about high/ low range 4WD. Anything with automatic (on demand) AWD used to be called CUV. Just a thought.

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