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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Fuel Economy [albook] by stevedebi
Apr 21, 2008 (11:14 am)
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Replying to: albook (Apr 16, 2008 2:59 pm)

" And while all the Freestyle owners would say that anyone who thinks 250 hp isn't enough for a CUV is power crazed (sorry, couldn't resist ) consumers are going to notice the difference. "
 
Well, I wouldn't go that far - but the Pilot doesn't have a CVT, which is the only way Ford managed to haul a 4200 lb car with a 3.0 liter engine. The Freestyle has "adequate" power, less power than most people expect these days.
 
It is all moot anyway, since the Taurus X has the 3.5L and a 6 speed transmission...
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Re: 2009 Pilot [bobw3] by dbt
Apr 21, 2008 (11:28 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Apr 21, 2008 8:11 am)

Just some #s for this: (exterior Length, width in inches)
2009 Pilot: 191, 79
2008 Pilot: 188, 78
Saturn Outlook: 201, 78
Odyssey: 201, 77
Sienna: 201, 77
Taurus X: 200, 75
Tahoe: 202, 79
Suburban: 222, 79
Highlander: 188, 75
 
For some people like myself, the difference in 13" between Pilot/Highlander and Outlook/Minivans is pretty important: I have not so much space in my garage - Pilot fits well, others a very tight squeeze. I have to turn into it from a narrow alley. I live in the city, so I parallel park it in city spots a good bit. It helps to not have that extra foot, and judging the rear is easier too.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [bobw3] by albook
Apr 21, 2008 (3:23 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Apr 21, 2008 8:11 am)

"How are the lambdas a smaller choice on the market when they are the same size externallly as a minivan?"
 
Come on, you've gotta read better. I said if they don't need space like a minivan (which the Acadia has) then they go for something smaller, like the Highlander. And the lambdas are a bit smaller than all minivans but the Toyota Sienna. Another good thig about the lambdas is they don't really drive that big. They feel bigger than a Highlander, but the old Pilot, not so much.
 
Honda doesn't have an SUV? Where have you been in this discussion? The Pilot is an SUV, and while Honda did want to give it more of the utility of real SUVs (good marketing point) they clearly understand that the Highlander is one of its main competitors. And it's a unibody. There's nothing SUV about that.
 
Bottom line, what I was saying was GMC designed a crossover that is bot rugged and sleek, one that combines the utility and ability of an SUV, with the comfort of a car, and a look thats rugged yet refined. I'd say that's what Honda wanted. I just think GM did a little better job of it.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [baggs32] by albook
Apr 21, 2008 (3:34 pm)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Apr 20, 2008 6:57 pm)

Yes, I noticed that too. I'd think Honda would put a six speed in the Pilot. For the 1st time, they may actually have to play catchup.
 
As for the CX-9 and the Edge, good luck with your choice. While I'm not a fan of either, I'd go for the CX-9 as the Edge is a bit dissapointing to me. A Honda CR-V has more interior room, while being over half a foot shorter.
 
Yes, I too thought the Journey was a bit of a dissapointment in Chicago. Dodge didn't get it enough. I'd much rather have a Highlander (I'm quickly becoming a fan).
 
With the Acadia's tilt and slide seat, I'm suprised you couldn't get it to work. At first, no body really knows how to work it, but after a second or two, it becomes so easy. I've neverbeen able to climb to the third row so easy, except in those old minivans that have the second row bench.
 
The Flex was interesting to me, too. The Interior will be its major selling point- I thought it was simple, but nicely laid out. As to whether it's an imporvement over the TX, I'm not sure. For now I'll just say I wouldn't be ready to pay the extra grand or two (especially with these huge rebates on the TX).
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Re: 2009 Pilot [vad1819] by nxs138
Apr 21, 2008 (4:02 pm)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Apr 20, 2008 9:26 pm)

For March Acadia sold 39% more vehicle then last year in same month.
 
That makes sense...wasn't the Acadia introduced in Feb of 2007? There would have been less Acadias on the road in March 2007 as compared to 2008 since the car was brand new.
 
Not sure what point you're trying to make...
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Re: 2009 Pilot [nxs138] by vad1819
Apr 21, 2008 (4:58 pm)
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Replying to: nxs138 (Apr 21, 2008 4:02 pm)

I'm not here to argue. I gave to people some different perspective from sale numbers point. The 2007 models has been started selling in end of 2006.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [nxs138] by albook
Apr 21, 2008 (5:12 pm)
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Replying to: nxs138 (Apr 21, 2008 4:02 pm)

December '06.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [vad1819] by scott613
Apr 21, 2008 (5:40 pm)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Apr 20, 2008 9:26 pm)

Actually for the month is was 29%, not 39% (7424 vs 5739).
 
39% is based on selling days (28 last year, 26 this year).
 
To show the consumer shift from SUV to CUV, GMC's SUV sales (Envoy & Yukon) were down over 3800 units for the same months.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [albook] by baggs32
Apr 21, 2008 (5:43 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Apr 21, 2008 3:34 pm)

A Honda CR-V has more interior room, while being over half a foot shorter.
 
It costs less too. But neither of us like the way it looks on the inside or out and I can't stand 4 cylinders in an SUV.
 
The Flex was interesting to me, too.
 
Yeah, I can't put it into words, but it was kind of a pleasent surprise to me. I liked it in the pictures but it was much better looking in the flesh. It has kind of a 'Three Little Bears' thing going on. Not too big and not too small. Not to tall and not too short. Not too... Well, you guys get the point.
 
Make no mistake though, it is not trying to replace the minivan like the Lambdas or the CX-9 though. It definitely is a direct replacement for the TX. Just more upscale.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [albook] by nxs138
Apr 21, 2008 (7:49 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Apr 21, 2008 5:12 pm)

Yep, I saw the numbers. Production was still ramping up, though, and I believe they still had not added the extra shift. Numbers peaked around May 07 with over 9000 Acadias sold in that Month, as compared to about 5700 units sold in March 07. Sales have been hovering near 6000-7000 units per month since the May 07 peak. Nice numbers for the Acadia. Saturn, on the other hand, should just be abandoned...

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