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Replying to: albook (Apr 20, 2008 2:21 pm) However, not everyone needs the space of a minivan, so they go with some of the smaller choices on the market How are the lambdas a "smaller choice on market" when they're the same size externally as a minivan? I'm not saying the lambdas aren't good vehicles, they're great replacements for GM minivans and big SUVs. To me though, one of the big advantages of the Pilot (and Highlander) is the smaller footprint making it easier to drive, manauver, etc...just less bulk. The Pilot isn't competing against the lambdas, but rather against the Explorers, Yukons, etc because it's an SUV. A closer competitor for the lambda in Honda's lineup would be the Odyssey based on the exterior size, but it's hard to compare exactly because GM doesn't have a minivan and Honda doesn't have an CUV. But if someone put interior space and MPG high on their list of priorites, then the Odyssey would win out over the lambda. You're right, the lamdas are GMs SUV/Minivan compromise. They have some of the advantages of both SUVs and minvans, without being the best in either category, but that's the nature of compromise.
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Replying to: vad1819 (Apr 20, 2008 9:26 pm) Can't argue with that "logic" 
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Replying to: albook (Apr 16, 2008 2:59 pm) Well, I wouldn't go that far - but the Pilot doesn't have a CVT, which is the only way Ford managed to haul a 4200 lb car with a 3.0 liter engine. The Freestyle has "adequate" power, less power than most people expect these days. It is all moot anyway, since the Taurus X has the 3.5L and a 6 speed transmission... |
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Replying to: bobw3 (Apr 21, 2008 8:11 am) 2009 Pilot: 191, 79 2008 Pilot: 188, 78 Saturn Outlook: 201, 78 Odyssey: 201, 77 Sienna: 201, 77 Taurus X: 200, 75 Tahoe: 202, 79 Suburban: 222, 79 Highlander: 188, 75 For some people like myself, the difference in 13" between Pilot/Highlander and Outlook/Minivans is pretty important: I have not so much space in my garage - Pilot fits well, others a very tight squeeze. I have to turn into it from a narrow alley. I live in the city, so I parallel park it in city spots a good bit. It helps to not have that extra foot, and judging the rear is easier too. |
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Replying to: bobw3 (Apr 21, 2008 8:11 am) Come on, you've gotta read better. I said if they don't need space like a minivan (which the Acadia has) then they go for something smaller, like the Highlander. And the lambdas are a bit smaller than all minivans but the Toyota Sienna. Another good thig about the lambdas is they don't really drive that big. They feel bigger than a Highlander, but the old Pilot, not so much. Honda doesn't have an SUV? Where have you been in this discussion? The Pilot is an SUV, and while Honda did want to give it more of the utility of real SUVs (good marketing point) they clearly understand that the Highlander is one of its main competitors. And it's a unibody. There's nothing SUV about that. Bottom line, what I was saying was GMC designed a crossover that is bot rugged and sleek, one that combines the utility and ability of an SUV, with the comfort of a car, and a look thats rugged yet refined. I'd say that's what Honda wanted. I just think GM did a little better job of it.
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Replying to: baggs32 (Apr 20, 2008 6:57 pm) As for the CX-9 and the Edge, good luck with your choice. While I'm not a fan of either, I'd go for the CX-9 as the Edge is a bit dissapointing to me. A Honda CR-V has more interior room, while being over half a foot shorter. Yes, I too thought the Journey was a bit of a dissapointment in Chicago. Dodge didn't get it enough. I'd much rather have a Highlander (I'm quickly becoming a fan). With the Acadia's tilt and slide seat, I'm suprised you couldn't get it to work. At first, no body really knows how to work it, but after a second or two, it becomes so easy. I've neverbeen able to climb to the third row so easy, except in those old minivans that have the second row bench. The Flex was interesting to me, too. The Interior will be its major selling point- I thought it was simple, but nicely laid out. As to whether it's an imporvement over the TX, I'm not sure. For now I'll just say I wouldn't be ready to pay the extra grand or two (especially with these huge rebates on the TX).
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Replying to: vad1819 (Apr 20, 2008 9:26 pm) That makes sense...wasn't the Acadia introduced in Feb of 2007? There would have been less Acadias on the road in March 2007 as compared to 2008 since the car was brand new. Not sure what point you're trying to make... |
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Replying to: nxs138 (Apr 21, 2008 4:02 pm)
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Replying to: nxs138 (Apr 21, 2008 4:02 pm)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Apr 20, 2008 9:26 pm) 39% is based on selling days (28 last year, 26 this year). To show the consumer shift from SUV to CUV, GMC's SUV sales (Envoy & Yukon) were down over 3800 units for the same months. |
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