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Replying to: josephd05 (Apr 18, 2008 7:37 am) Correction...memory seat
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Replying to: albook (Apr 17, 2008 3:33 pm) Honda has the Odyssey for those needing more space than the Pilot. Again, lambdas are a foot longer than the Pilot so they should have a lot more space inside. Yes, there's about 5CuFt of extra cargo space behind the 3rd row of the lambdas and maybe an inch of extra 3rd row legroom, but I'd expect a lot more than that for the foot of extra length. The lambdas try to be a minivan and SUV in the same vehicle. I think the Pilot is a better SUV than the lambdas and the Odyssey a better minivan than the lambdas. A lot of it depends on the real-world use a person is really going to get out of a vehicle. I'd say that most folks are going for the SUV/CUV look over a minivan purely out of looks and vanity. If that's the case then just get what looks good to you but avoid any logic discussions 
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Replying to: bobw3 (Apr 18, 2008 9:54 am) Tell it like it is, Bob. 
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Apr 18, 2008 8:26 am) |
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Replying to: bobw3 (Apr 18, 2008 9:54 am) So I'll give you a link to where people don't have opinion, they're just buying it. http://editorial.autos.msn.com/listarticle.aspx?cp-documentid=434652 Honda Pilot #6 in this list. and other link to: So I don't know what full size CUV get award, but Acadia is defiantly number one in full size CUV's categories. Plus, Lambdas win Motorweek's Drivers Choice Award: Best Crossover, 2nd year in a row. http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/dc2008/
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Replying to: vad1819 (Apr 20, 2008 1:27 am) "The top 10 SUVs that shoppers on MSN Autos are researching most." This lists what MSN Auto readers are researching, not buying.
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Replying to: bobw3 (Apr 18, 2008 9:54 am) As for the lambdas trying to be a combination of a minivan and an SUV, I'd say it's the best combo out there. It combines the two without giving up much of either. I think the Acadia is a better SUV than the Pilot. The only thing SUV-like I think the Pilot has over the GMC is the square, tough wannabe, slightly dated exterior, and the worse gas mileage. The Acadia is more powerful, and has more utility. As for the Odyssey being a better minivan than the lambdas, of course. Just about any minivan (save the micro Mazda 5 and the now departed Chevy Uplander) is a better minivan than the Lambdas. However, if you need minivan capability but want the perks of SUVs and CUVs, the lambdas are the best combination out there. And that's what consumers seem to want right now. They don't necessarily need the rough-tough looks. However, not everyone needs the space of a minivan, so they go with some of the smaller choices on the market.
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Replying to: albook (Apr 20, 2008 2:21 pm) It seems like Honda may have de-powered their 3.5L V6 for the Pilot to keep it in line with the other crossovers regarding fuel mileage because they are still using a 5-speed ATX while others have moved on to a 6-speed ATX. My wife and I saw the new Pilot in the flesh at our auto show this past week and while we agreed it is somewhat handome from the A-pillar back, the front is far from lovable. The other thing we noticed was that it did have a lot of useful cubbies all over the interior (it was on a floor level rotating stand with the doors open so you could get a good look inside) but we also agreed that we would never use all of them in a million years and we have 2 small kids. We'll stick with something more handsome to us that offers similar if not somewhat less storage space located around the cabin. That being said, she decided that she wants a CX-9 or an Edge. The latter ended up being her favorite which shocked me, but the CX-9 doesn't cost all that much more comparably equipped and offers a whole lot more utility. I'm still intrigued by the Journey and got to look one over thoroughly on the floor of the show. The storage bins in the floor behind the front seats and the storage bin under the passenger seat cushion are really, really cool IMO. However, the interior of the one they had on the floor, an SXT I believe, was absolutely dreaful. The rear camera screen was at the bottom of the center stack which is totally absurd and the materials were, IMO, not only hard on the eyes, but also not nice to touch. Then there was the rear DVD player. I popped the screen down and it completely blocked the view out of the rear from the rear view mirror. Nice first effort Dodge, but better luck with gen 2. After being able to see the 3 Lamdas close together we both agreed that the Acadia was the best of the bunch. However neither of us like the interior all that much. The center stack was flat and dull to us when compared to others, and the vehicle itself is just too big. I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I found that the second row sliding mechanism in the Acadia to be the worst of the bunch. I could easily figure out the system in the competitors but the Acadia's second row seats wouldn't slide forward more than a few inches for me. Maybe it was because they were captains chairs and you could get to the back by going between them? I certainly couldn't get to row 3 with the space I was afforded when the forward slide stopped. We also saw the Flex (it too was on a low rotating stand with the doors open). My wife hates the look of it too so we didn't stay there too long. I was actually a bit surprised by it. I thought it would be bigger because the pictures of it make it appear that way to me. But is was actually pretty low to the ground and had an interesting presence to it. It's hard to describe, but it definitely was different. The interior looked really nice to me. It had a similar look to that of the new Volvo S80 and I like that interior a lot.
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Replying to: bobw3 (Apr 20, 2008 11:55 am) |
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Replying to: albook (Apr 20, 2008 2:21 pm) However, not everyone needs the space of a minivan, so they go with some of the smaller choices on the market How are the lambdas a "smaller choice on market" when they're the same size externally as a minivan? I'm not saying the lambdas aren't good vehicles, they're great replacements for GM minivans and big SUVs. To me though, one of the big advantages of the Pilot (and Highlander) is the smaller footprint making it easier to drive, manauver, etc...just less bulk. The Pilot isn't competing against the lambdas, but rather against the Explorers, Yukons, etc because it's an SUV. A closer competitor for the lambda in Honda's lineup would be the Odyssey based on the exterior size, but it's hard to compare exactly because GM doesn't have a minivan and Honda doesn't have an CUV. But if someone put interior space and MPG high on their list of priorites, then the Odyssey would win out over the lambda. You're right, the lamdas are GMs SUV/Minivan compromise. They have some of the advantages of both SUVs and minvans, without being the best in either category, but that's the nature of compromise.
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