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7127 messages,  Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 8:31 PM

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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Fuel Economy [aviboy97] by marcovio
Apr 17, 2008 (12:29 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Apr 16, 2008 9:38 am)

Not being a fan of SUVs/CUVs in general, and I certainly wasn't going to jump on the minivan bandwagon, I had recently purchased a CX-9 last November '07. At the time, my family considered only the VW Touareg, since we owned several German cars already (M-B S class, Audi S4 Avant & Passat 4-Motion Wagon).
 
The '08 Touareg is definitely great looking, but we needed a 7 passenger vehicle. The GM triplets (Saturn/GMC/Buick) were under powered & too heavy, and the fit/finish wasn't there considering the price point they were asking for...and I'm not a fan of GM's history of the lack reliability.
 
Ultimately, the 3rd row seats were a joke in just about everything under $40k...and that's totally inexcusable at that price point. I'm 5' 11", and the only 7 seater that I could fit in with decent leg room was the CX-9 (granted, the GM triplets fit was ok, but the execution was inferior to the CX-9). The revised Subaru Tribeca & the new Highlander had great reliability, but again, 3rd row seating was poor.
 
Then the magazine reviews were published (Car & Driver, Motor Trend, Automobile, Road & Track, Autoweek), and selected CX-9 over the rivals. The power was uprated for '08 in the CX-9 from the previous year as well, using Ford's 3.7 V-6, up from the previous 3.5 liter unit. Unlike it's platform sister, the Ford Flex, the CX-9 utilizes a superior Aisin transmission, which had a proven track record in the VW Touareg (if you can recall, when the Touareg came out, it too won MT's Truck of the Year). Turning radius on the CX-9 is extremely good, especially for it's size.
 
Knowing that I was on a limited budget, the goal for me was to attain the best bang for the buck. The CX-9 proved to be better packaged than the Acura MDX (third seating is marginal at best) & out performed the V6 Buick Enclave (overweight & underpowered).
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Re: 2009 Pilot [bobw3] by albook
Apr 17, 2008 (3:33 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Apr 17, 2008 6:49 am)

"The Pilot is a foot shorter than the lambdas, so for that footprint, it's very spacious inside. the lambdas are minivan in thier exterior size, but not nearly so in their interior space."
 
Not quite. While the Pilot has some nice interior dimensions, it falls a bit short in cargo space. And the third row still probably has nothing in comparison to larger CUVs (which makes sense, considering they are larger). The Lambdas which are 10-12 inches longer, don't have quite the interior volume of minivans- which are larger- come very close, in fact, having more than anything else beside the Suburban.
 
To tell the truth, I think GMC designed a better Pilot (or Pilot XL) in the Acadia. It's more spacious and comfortable than anything in the class. It's one of the most powerful and capable. And styling is muscular yet sleek- something the Pilot could improve on. For once I think honda could learn from GM.
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Re: Fuel Economy [marcovio] by aviboy97
Apr 17, 2008 (3:43 pm)
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Replying to: marcovio (Apr 17, 2008 12:29 pm)

The power was uprated for '08 in the CX-9 from the previous year as well, using Ford's 3.7 V-6, up from the previous 3.5 liter unit
 
The 3.7L was a great idea for Mazda. What is even better is that they build the engine completely, not Ford.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [albook] by aviboy97
Apr 17, 2008 (3:45 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Apr 17, 2008 3:33 pm)

It's more spacious and comfortable than anything in the class.
 
Overall space, yes. Passenger space, no. Also, comfort is subjective. Not everyone will agree on what is comfortable and what is not. I think the CX-9 is really comfortable, however, there have been a few to post here that it is not.
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Re: Fuel Economy [marcovio] by mtnman1
Apr 17, 2008 (3:57 pm)
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Replying to: marcovio (Apr 17, 2008 12:29 pm)

I guess I don't get it. I've driven and looked at the CX-9 and I found them inferior to the beautiful interior of the Saturn Outlook XR with the leather interior. Also the power was plenty for me. The third row seat was extremely easy to get to as well as plenty of leg room. Highlanders were nice, but lack the flexibility with no split rear row which had little kid legroom and very difficult to get to. Also, they do not offer memory settings for the Drivers Seat which is very important when you and your spouse have very different needs as far as height adjustments. I'm just in the looking phase and probably won't buy this year, but if I would it would definitely be the Outlook for me and my wife. I guess to each his own.
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Re: 2009 Pilot [aviboy97] by albook
Apr 17, 2008 (5:43 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Apr 17, 2008 3:45 pm)

"Passenger Space, no."
 
What CUV has more passenger space?
 
"Also, comfort is subjective"
 
True. But if third rows were in the question, the only thing comparable is the Taurus X.
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Re: Fuel Economy [mtnman1] by josephd05
Apr 18, 2008 (7:37 am)
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Replying to: mtnman1 (Apr 17, 2008 3:57 pm)

CX9 does have memory seats.
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Re: Fuel Economy [josephd05] by aviboy97
Apr 18, 2008 (8:26 am)
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Replying to: josephd05 (Apr 18, 2008 7:37 am)

CX9 does have memory seats
 
Correction...memory seat
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Re: 2009 Pilot [albook] by bobw3
Apr 18, 2008 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: albook (Apr 17, 2008 3:33 pm)

To tell the truth, I think GMC designed a better Pilot (or Pilot XL) in the Acadia. It's more spacious and comfortable than anything in the class. It's one of the most powerful and capable. And styling is muscular yet sleek- something the Pilot could improve on. For once I think honda could learn from GM.
 
Honda has the Odyssey for those needing more space than the Pilot. Again, lambdas are a foot longer than the Pilot so they should have a lot more space inside. Yes, there's about 5CuFt of extra cargo space behind the 3rd row of the lambdas and maybe an inch of extra 3rd row legroom, but I'd expect a lot more than that for the foot of extra length.
 
The lambdas try to be a minivan and SUV in the same vehicle. I think the Pilot is a better SUV than the lambdas and the Odyssey a better minivan than the lambdas. A lot of it depends on the real-world use a person is really going to get out of a vehicle. I'd say that most folks are going for the SUV/CUV look over a minivan purely out of looks and vanity. If that's the case then just get what looks good to you but avoid any logic discussions
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Re: 2009 Pilot [bobw3] by ateixeira
Apr 18, 2008 (10:00 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Apr 18, 2008 9:54 am)

get what looks good to you but avoid any logic discussions
 
Tell it like it is, Bob.

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