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7126 messages, Last post on Nov 18, 2009 at 1:27 PM
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Replying to: dbt (Apr 14, 2008 12:16 pm) Pros over the 08 (IMO)- shifter position, separate rear glass, illuminated steering wheel controls, aux in, improved crash structure, supposedly quieter A wash - interior styling, same basic drivetrain but feels peppy enough in the 08 Cons - VCM adds complexity for little mpg benefit, increased width, styling, supposedly poorer interior plastics (from early reviews, but haven't seen in person) All in all, its probably better, and there is a diesel in the pipeline. But if I were spending $30-35K today(which I didn't; thanks 08 Pilot!), I don't see what this offers over the Lambdas or possibly the Flex. And I think the VC matches up really well now. The CUV market sure has gotten competitive in the past 2-3 years. The 09 just seems like a lost opportunity.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Apr 16, 2008 9:38 am)  ) consumers are going to notice the difference. I know it will be a major advertising point for Mazda and Hyundai. Really, 250 shouldn't be too bad. It's a little more than last year, and I believe the new model in most cases is a little lighter. But where is Honda's updated 3.5 V6 in the Accord? Were they trying to distance the Pilot from the MDX? Because 268 compared to 300 is enough for me. I can see Car and Driver disproving its pickup now.
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Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 16, 2008 11:35 am) |
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Replying to: albook (Apr 16, 2008 2:59 pm) One would think so.... On a side note, Honda further distanced themselves from their Acura counterpart by quite a bit. They look nothing alike, and the MDX is more driver oriented (SH-AWD), and less useful (awful 3rd row and cargo cap.) The 09 Pilot is way bigger and more useful, however, it has a completely different drive train, 4WD system included. |
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Replying to: tifighter (Apr 16, 2008 1:51 pm) The Edmunds First Drive review keeps mentioning the word "utility" over and over, so this Pilot is obviously trying to lure those who would rather have efficiency over style and power. I suspect the ads will show all the cute little storage spaces... I don't like it all that much, but a Honda is a Honda...
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Replying to: nxs138 (Apr 16, 2008 6:27 pm)
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Replying to: nxs138 (Apr 16, 2008 6:27 pm) The problem is that the new Pilot is not more efficient or powerful then the competition. I also did see that the Edmunds review used the word "utility" a lot as well. My question is, how much more "utility" does it really have over the competition? I suspect the ads will show all the cute little storage spaces... I think those little storage spaces are over rated, for every car. Usually, people fill those little places with junk that does not need to be in the car to begin with, and then they leave it there until they sell or trade their car. IMO they are worthless. |
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Oh no, what's vad gonna do? Let's see how long this lasts and if it affects supply of the Lambdas.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 17, 2008 9:58 am) This is why imports do so well when they have a plant here. They pay their workers well, and don't have to deal with the UAW! Could you imagine how much better the domestic brands would do if there was no UAW? They could actually build a great car and profit from it at the same time! |
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Apr 16, 2008 9:38 am) The '08 Touareg is definitely great looking, but we needed a 7 passenger vehicle. The GM triplets (Saturn/GMC/Buick) were under powered & too heavy, and the fit/finish wasn't there considering the price point they were asking for...and I'm not a fan of GM's history of the lack reliability. Ultimately, the 3rd row seats were a joke in just about everything under $40k...and that's totally inexcusable at that price point. I'm 5' 11", and the only 7 seater that I could fit in with decent leg room was the CX-9 (granted, the GM triplets fit was ok, but the execution was inferior to the CX-9). The revised Subaru Tribeca & the new Highlander had great reliability, but again, 3rd row seating was poor. Then the magazine reviews were published (Car & Driver, Motor Trend, Automobile, Road & Track, Autoweek), and selected CX-9 over the rivals. The power was uprated for '08 in the CX-9 from the previous year as well, using Ford's 3.7 V-6, up from the previous 3.5 liter unit. Unlike it's platform sister, the Ford Flex, the CX-9 utilizes a superior Aisin transmission, which had a proven track record in the VW Touareg (if you can recall, when the Touareg came out, it too won MT's Truck of the Year). Turning radius on the CX-9 is extremely good, especially for it's size. Knowing that I was on a limited budget, the goal for me was to attain the best bang for the buck. The CX-9 proved to be better packaged than the Acura MDX (third seating is marginal at best) & out performed the V6 Buick Enclave (overweight & underpowered).
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