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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: flex 1st ride [ateixeira] by baggs32
Mar 26, 2008 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 26, 2008 6:58 am)

Problem is 19% eats up more than half your fuel savings right up front. Diesels cost more to buy. I'm sure resale is better, but if demand increases as more diesel vehicles are offered, it could get worse.
  
Hopefully this is a short-term phenomenom, but who knows? We'd need a crystal ball.

 
This column was in last month's C&D. If Csaba is right then don't expect to see too many high volume diesels anytime soon. That's not to say they won't be offered as optional engines in high volume models, but definitely not standard. The next Honda Pilot comes to mind for me.
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automotive who's in bed with who by freealfas
Mar 26, 2008 (9:20 am)
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interesting to see it represented graphically
 
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/03/thumb1280x1280_236417- 7540_0e30819365_o.jpg
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Re: flex 1st ride [baggs32] by ateixeira
Mar 26, 2008 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Mar 26, 2008 8:49 am)

I have the print copy and haven't even read that yet. I'll save the read for the print copy, but thanks for the heads-up.
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Re: automotive who's in bed with who [freealfas] by ateixeira
Mar 26, 2008 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: freealfas (Mar 26, 2008 9:20 am)

Interesting and confusing at the same time. Globalization is here to stay.
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Re: automotive who's in bed with who [ateixeira] by thegraduate
Mar 26, 2008 (10:57 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 26, 2008 10:12 am)

Honda seems to be the least-linked to the rest of the world... I can't see the small link going down from Honda into Hyundai territory. What is it? (I'm on a small monitor currently).
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Re: automotive who's in bed with who [thegraduate] by ateixeira
Mar 26, 2008 (11:15 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Mar 26, 2008 10:57 am)

I've zoomed in with a 19" monitor, and it's not legible at all. Looks like a red logo with some (probably) Korean characters to the right.
 
Perhaps Honda supplies a diesel engine to one of Hyundai's partners?
 
For a while there you could have had a line from Honda to Saturn for the 3.5l V6 they supplied. And from Izusu to Honda for the Trooper and Rodeo clones.
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Re: Lexus RX Hybrid not so great [barnstormer64] by albook
Mar 31, 2008 (2:46 pm)
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Replying to: barnstormer64 (Mar 23, 2008 2:06 pm)

"RX designed as performance wagon"
 
Definitely not. This is the case for the GS and upcoming LS hybrids, but not for the RX. The RX is for fuel saving (though it doesn't do that great a job). It has the same displacement as the old Highlander. If you want performance (or what ever performance you can get in a Lexus RX) you should go for the regular V6. It makes more power than the Hybrid. And I believe it's lighter. As for the corolla, it will save fuel. But I wouldn't go near thatwith my checkbook. It's my least favorite small sedan. I'd much rather have a Civic or a Mazda 3.
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Re: flex 1st ride [ateixeira] by albook
Mar 31, 2008 (2:55 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 24, 2008 8:33 am)

"It's entry to the market marrks the phase out of the underappreciated Taurus X"
 
So it is coming- if this guy has any authority in the auto motive press world. I'm not sure what to say abou the article. He was a little too wrapped up in his "hipster" joke for him to really say anything.
 
As for the Flex, sounds like it will be nice, and a step up from what they have now, but there is simply no way this could take the place of a minivan. Ford's still got a bit to do if they want a true van-replacement CUV.
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Re: flex 1st ride [albook] by ateixeira
Apr 01, 2008 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: albook (Mar 31, 2008 2:55 pm)

I just read an article about how Ford and GM abandoned that segment and now Honda, Toyota, and Dodge are basically enjoying a 700,000 sales/year segment all to themselves.
 
I don't think the Journey will be a hit the way the Lambdas are, though. The manufacturers simply have a different set of priorities.
 
The RX400H does use the old 3.3l V6 (3MZ in Toyota-speak), which is too bad. The 3.5l (2GR) is a lot more powerful and in most cases slightly more efficient. Plus, the GS hybrid has the 2GR engine, so why Toyota didn't invest in getting that more modern mill in the RX hybrid I just don't understand.
 
To top it off, the engine is supposedly lighter and costs a lot less to build. Maybe it was a capacity limitation?
 
Time to retire the 3MZ engine completely.

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