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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Chat night by pf_flyer HOST
Mar 25, 2008 (10:30 am)
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It's Tuesday so that means mazda chat time again. Stop in and meet and greet with your fellow Mazda lovers. Or just stop by for a little fun and car problem chat diagnosis. (One of our favorite games..heh)
 
The Mazda Club Chat is on tonight. The chat room opens at 8:45PM ET Hope to see YOU there! Check out the schedule
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Re: New Forester [robr2] by aviboy97
Mar 25, 2008 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: robr2 (Mar 25, 2008 7:16 am)

Very informative Thanks
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Re: flex 1st ride [freealfas] by ateixeira
Mar 26, 2008 (6:58 am)
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Replying to: freealfas (Mar 25, 2008 6:17 am)

I'm a fan of diesels, even did a paper on Rudolf Diesel himself back in college. The range and torque are dreamy.
 
Diesel prices near me, however, and frightening. Cheapest near me is $4.199. Ouch. Gas costs 19% less right now by my math (and in my zip code). When I shopped around a greater area on gasbuddy.com, I found the same advantage for gas.
 
Problem is 19% eats up more than half your fuel savings right up front. Diesels cost more to buy. I'm sure resale is better, but if demand increases as more diesel vehicles are offered, it could get worse.
 
Hopefully this is a short-term phenomenom, but who knows? We'd need a crystal ball.
 
At the very least, you would still have better durability, more range, better resale, etc. Diesels still have advantages. Sadly, your cost-per-mile to fuel up may not be any better than some gassers.
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Indy Truckers Strike due to diesel prices by ateixeira
Mar 26, 2008 (7:07 am)
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I don't want to discuss this here, so I'll offer a link instead:
 
steve_, "What will you do when gas price rises above $4 a gallon?" #5391, 24 Mar 2008 7:43 pm
 
It's a hot topic over there, hop on over if interested.
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Re: flex 1st ride [ateixeira] by baggs32
Mar 26, 2008 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 26, 2008 6:58 am)

Problem is 19% eats up more than half your fuel savings right up front. Diesels cost more to buy. I'm sure resale is better, but if demand increases as more diesel vehicles are offered, it could get worse.
  
Hopefully this is a short-term phenomenom, but who knows? We'd need a crystal ball.

 
This column was in last month's C&D. If Csaba is right then don't expect to see too many high volume diesels anytime soon. That's not to say they won't be offered as optional engines in high volume models, but definitely not standard. The next Honda Pilot comes to mind for me.
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automotive who's in bed with who by freealfas
Mar 26, 2008 (9:20 am)
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interesting to see it represented graphically
 
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/03/thumb1280x1280_236417- 7540_0e30819365_o.jpg
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Re: flex 1st ride [baggs32] by ateixeira
Mar 26, 2008 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Mar 26, 2008 8:49 am)

I have the print copy and haven't even read that yet. I'll save the read for the print copy, but thanks for the heads-up.
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Re: automotive who's in bed with who [freealfas] by ateixeira
Mar 26, 2008 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: freealfas (Mar 26, 2008 9:20 am)

Interesting and confusing at the same time. Globalization is here to stay.
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Re: automotive who's in bed with who [ateixeira] by thegraduate
Mar 26, 2008 (10:57 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 26, 2008 10:12 am)

Honda seems to be the least-linked to the rest of the world... I can't see the small link going down from Honda into Hyundai territory. What is it? (I'm on a small monitor currently).
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Re: automotive who's in bed with who [thegraduate] by ateixeira
Mar 26, 2008 (11:15 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Mar 26, 2008 10:57 am)

I've zoomed in with a 19" monitor, and it's not legible at all. Looks like a red logo with some (probably) Korean characters to the right.
 
Perhaps Honda supplies a diesel engine to one of Hyundai's partners?
 
For a while there you could have had a line from Honda to Saturn for the 3.5l V6 they supplied. And from Izusu to Honda for the Trooper and Rodeo clones.

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