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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Lexus RX Hybrid not so great [albook] by barnstormer64
Mar 23, 2008 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Mar 22, 2008 6:17 pm)

but Edmunds just said after a longterm test that the RX400H got dissapointing fuel mileage for a Hybrid. What does this say about the Highlander Hybrid?
 
Simple, really. The RX400H wasn't designed as a gas-sipping hybrid. It was designed as a PERFORMANCE hybrid. Trying to get PERFORMANCE while using less gasoline than the typical "performance wagon".
 
If you want to save on gas (and on initial cost of a vehicle), try the Toyota Corolla with a 4-banger and a stick.
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flex 1st ride by freealfas
Mar 24, 2008 (8:24 am)
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http://www.motivemag.com/pub/feature/quickie/Motive_Quickie_2009_Ford_Flex.shtml-
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Re: flex 1st ride [freealfas] by ateixeira
Mar 24, 2008 (8:33 am)
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Replying to: freealfas (Mar 24, 2008 8:24 am)

Interesting article, and I agree with the points he made.
 
feels much like a Taurus X with a bit more space, a bit less noise, and a bit more comfort
 
It will be interesting to see if by adding a dose of style and character, as opposed to major substantive changes, will help this sell better than the Freestyle/Taurus X.
 
I'm guessing yes, it will.
 
Even though it's very similar underneath it all, those first two rows seem more like a First Class or at least Business Class seat on a high-end airline.
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Re: New Forester [ateixeira] by aviboy97
Mar 24, 2008 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 19, 2008 6:30 am)

Aren't they used as NYC cabs now? That alone is a lot of demand.
 
On Thursday, I went to LGA airport to pick up my sister-in-law and her boyfriend that came to visit from FL for Easter weekend, and sure enough, parked all over the place at arrivals, were Escape Hybrid taxis. Then again on Friday, when we went to the auto show in NY, they were every where once again.
 
This makes me wonder if Ford is making all they really can on these vehicles, since they are technically fleet. They are sold at heavy discount. Does not sound like smart business to me.
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Lincoln MKT by aviboy97
Mar 24, 2008 (9:34 am)
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I saw the Lincoln MKT up close and personal at the NY auto show, and I must say, if Lincoln does not build this, they are CRAZY! This CUV is a 10 out of 10! If Lincoln does in fact build this, I hope they keep as much of the design intact. The new front grille design is great. If Lincoln needs this vehicle if they want to compete with Caddy.
 
That brings me to another point about Caddy. They have a lot in the pipe line that looks to be very competitive. It's about time too. No longer are they going for the senior citizen demographic.
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Re: Lincoln MKT [aviboy97] by baggs32
Mar 24, 2008 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Mar 24, 2008 9:34 am)

I saw the Lincoln MKT up close and personal at the NY auto show, and I must say, if Lincoln does not build this, they are CRAZY!
 
It was just given the green light a few days ago. You may pop the champagne cork now.
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Re: New Forester [aviboy97] by robr2
Mar 24, 2008 (11:41 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Mar 24, 2008 9:29 am)

This makes me wonder if Ford is making all they really can on these vehicles, since they are technically fleet.
 
This is a correct statement - they are selling for fleet service.
 
They are sold at heavy discount.
 
This we don't know. The presumption is that they should be heavily discounted but taxi cab companies are buying and putting hybrids into service to appease their customers and save money on fuel.
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Re: New Forester [robr2] by aviboy97
Mar 25, 2008 (6:04 am)
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Replying to: robr2 (Mar 24, 2008 11:41 am)

Well, traditionally, fleet vehicles are sold at a heavy discount. I was basing my statement on that.
 
It is quite smart for taxi companies to use them since most driving is city driving, and they can get over 30mpg's. Looks like the cab companies can rake in the profits. But, then again, I'm sure they can pick up a Crown Vic for a heck of a lot less then an Escape Hybrid. So, I guess the money might take a while to roll in and show a more profitable bottom line.
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Re: flex 1st ride [ateixeira] by freealfas
Mar 25, 2008 (6:17 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 24, 2008 8:33 am)

now I HAVE to go buy one since I actually live in Chicago's hip Ukrainian village...LOL... diesel, I just want a diesel in it though... please, c'mon Ford... I said please...
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Re: New Forester [aviboy97] by robr2
Mar 25, 2008 (7:16 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Mar 25, 2008 6:04 am)

It is quite smart for taxi companies to use them since most driving is city driving, and they can get over 30mpg's. Looks like the cab companies can rake in the profits. But, then again, I'm sure they can pick up a Crown Vic for a heck of a lot less then an Escape Hybrid. So, I guess the money might take a while to roll in and show a more profitable bottom line.
 
The original incentive for taxi companies in NYC was that the hackney division sold the medallions at a discounted price of just over $220,000 - about 2/3 off the market price of a medallion. The profit for the taxi company comes from paying that medallion off and leasing the cab out.
 
As for the fuel issue - it's the drivers that lease the cabs that pay for the fuel and they are saving close to 50% of what they typically spend in a day ($50-$100).
 
http://www.hybridcars.com/fleets/hybrid-taxicabs.html

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