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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Journey...what a joke [ateixeira] by mattandi
Mar 17, 2008 (9:59 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 17, 2008 9:16 am)

Even now the Santa Fe has better incentives available - $2k v. $1k. I'm sure Chrysler would rather not play the incentive game, but . . .
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Re: Journey...what a joke [mattandi] by aviboy97
Mar 17, 2008 (12:04 pm)
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Replying to: mattandi (Mar 17, 2008 9:59 am)

Incentive game? That's right up Chrysler's alley! That's how they sell cars, incentives, gimmicks, "lifetime warranty's". When they run 0% for 72 months, that brings out the scum of scum who have no business buying a car to begin with.
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Re: Journey...what a joke [mattandi] by qs933
Mar 17, 2008 (12:17 pm)
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Replying to: mattandi (Mar 17, 2008 4:47 am)

Where did you see a 3 row Journey?
 
I'm pretty sure my auto show -- which uses cars from dealers' lots -- had a 3-row Journey. I remember not sitting in it because I didn't see the point in squeezing myself in there (it wasn't a serious contender on my list for other reasons).
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Re: New Forester [ateixeira] by aviboy97
Mar 17, 2008 (8:25 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 17, 2008 8:57 am)

I should correct myself. The new Foresters are actually bigger. A lot bigger. Also, this interior is a carbon copy of the Impreza. Materials are a bit too plasticy for my tastes, but then again, what mfgr is not using an abundance of plastics now a days.
 
My father in law is most likely going to trade his 2007 CX-7 for a new Forester simply because of fuel economy. 20 MPG highway is just not cutting it for him anymore. He used to get 25 mpg highway in his 2004 Forester. Yes, you loose gobs of horsepower, and loose an edge in handling, but, premium fuel and 20 mpg highway is just killing him. As much as a Mazda fan I am, I cannot disagree with the fact that the Forester is a better economical choice.
 
On a side note, 24K gets you a really really nice equipped Forester. Big moon roof, power everything, great AWD system and 26 mpg highway. If I were in the market for a fuel efficient CUV, I would choose the Forester over the likes of the CR-V and RAV-4.
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Re: Journey...what a joke [qs933] by mattandi
Mar 18, 2008 (6:27 am)
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Replying to: qs933 (Mar 17, 2008 12:17 pm)

Ok, that's cool. I haven't seen one yet. Was told they will be here in about a month or so. I have made a point of getting into and/or riding in the third row of everything we have looked at. My initial impression/expectations changed on a few after doing so.
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Re: New Forester [aviboy97] by ateixeira
Mar 18, 2008 (6:50 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Mar 17, 2008 8:25 pm)

The Forester interior indeed resembles the Impreza, but they made some important upgrades. The door panels, for instance, are much nicer, and both elbows rest on padded surfaces.
 
I have two kids, and the back seat has that fold-out cupholder/storage bin, which works perfectly for us when it's just the 4 of us on an outing. We'll have the big van when we need more space.
 
There is more headroom and rear legroom, too. The Impreza wasn't big enough for us, but the Forester seems just right.
 
The first-year CX7 required premium fuel, right? I think Mazda changed that for 2008, didn't they? That would help somewhat. It compares more closely to the Forester XT (turbo), but just like your father-in-law we're shopping for efficiency this time around.
 
24k gets the X Premium model, which has that nice moonroof, but we might spring for the LL Bean model to get heated leather seats and some other goodies.
 
Chase Bank has a Subaru credit card and you can earn 3% back in Subaru Bucks. We have $1600 accumulated. Plus IMBA and ACA members qualify for VIP pricing on Subarus, which is 2% under invoice. That puts the LL Bean model at just under $25k, a great value. After the Subaru Bucks we're talking roughly $23.5k, and that's loaded with everything minus NAV (I have a Garmin).
 
Do you qualify for your father-in-law? Maybe check in to that.
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Re: New Forester [aviboy97] by stevedebi
Mar 18, 2008 (4:48 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Mar 17, 2008 8:25 pm)

"If I were in the market for a fuel efficient CUV, I would choose the Forester over the likes of the CR-V and RAV-4."
 
If you'll check the CR-V forums, I think you'll find that the CR-V has comparable MPG, around 27 on the highway.
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Re: New Forester [stevedebi] by ateixeira
Mar 19, 2008 (5:54 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Mar 18, 2008 4:48 pm)

This is a good trend, as a matter of fact.
 
There used to be only a couple of compact crossovers that were geniunely fuel efficient, now there are several.
 
Back in 1998, it was RAV4, CR-V, or Forester. That was pretty much it.
 
Now you can add the Rogue, Outlander, Escape/Tribue hybrids, Vue Greenline, and a few others.
 
Feel free to epand on that list. I'm sure there are others.
 
I predict a continued shift towards smaller crossovers given oil hit $111/barrel the other day.
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Re: New Forester [stevedebi] by vad1819
Mar 19, 2008 (6:00 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Mar 18, 2008 4:48 pm)

I think you should consider a VUE also. It's better looking car, then CR-V or Forester. You can get Hybrid with 175 hp engine and as option AWD, if you need it for less money.
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Crossover/SUV Fuel Economy by ateixeira
Mar 19, 2008 (6:06 am)
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OK, did a quick search and found a nice resource:
 
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass.htm
 
We should add the Highlander and RX hybrids, the Jeep Compass and Patriot, the Mariner hybrid, Element, Tucson, and even the Tahoe hybrid sneaks on there (my cutoff point was 20mpg city).
 
I don't think the Outback, HHR, and PT belong on a list of SUVs, but those are on there, too.
 
I searched again for 1998 models, just for reference, and found a much smaller list: X90, RAV4, Tracker/Sidekick, and Montero Sport. When adjusted for current EPA standards even the CR-V and Forester dropped off that list.
 
Not only is it nice to see we have many more choices now, but also note that the newer ones are much more powerful, safer, and bigger.

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