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Replying to: albook (Feb 23, 2008 9:50 am) How do YOU KNOW? it may outsell the lambda's when it gets here, it may not but that begs the question, how do YOU KNOW? "It's a love it- hate it design. A CX-9 or VC would also get noticed on the road, but they aren't love it hate it designs. " the VC, correct as it is quite plain and the CX is absolutely polarizing, you've heard it here. "True- but ford has had several misses in the past 4-5 years" name them then...FS is one, 500 & variants to a lesser extent as it sold though not to hopes and dreams amounts. any other "facts" you'd like to offer to the class
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 02, 2008 12:02 pm) Agreed. I mostly find the Navigation screen is a very big help in controlling all the media equipment in my Taurus X Limited. I've got many media sources (AM/FM/ Satellite Radio / Front 6-CD player / Bluetooth streaming selected from any phone in the car / USB input / Analog Audio input jack / rear DVD or CD player) and many options in each than can fill a full screen or two. And that's just for media control. The screen is also useful for phone books, number entry and selection, and phone control. Finally, the screen is useful for it's nominal purpose: navigation maps, choosing destinations, picking Points of Interest, and so on. I have several portable Garmin GPS units for my cars and biking. They're much lower cost ($300-$500). But the screens are much smaller. I've found GPS cost goes mostly by screen size, and lesser so by features. Similar screen size Garmins tend to go over $1000 as well. Also, I've discovered my Taurus X Navigation System uses more than GPS satellites. It also reads distance and steering wheel position, and thus was able to continue to navigate in tunnels, even ones with turns within them or immediately after. Same in big cities with tall buildings and no reception where my Garmin portables cut out due to reception issues. Another advantage of the built-in units is that someone is less likely to break into my car to steal the GPS. And the built-in unit starts up faster and is always immediately available when needed with out having to assemble my portable unit and placing it on the dash. I got my Navigation System at Invoice price, around $1700. Obviously I feel it's worth it. ateixeira wrote "Getting back on topic, for a big crossover, I'd want a built-in GPS for the backup cam alone." The backup up camera is one thing I've come to dislike. I've ridden with friends who've had back up cameras and they are actually more dangerous than no camera. If they look at it, they miss cars driving by as they're backing out. And the wide angle lens makes it impossible to judge distance to not hit anything. And the mirror image thing messes with quick judgment. I much prefer the sonar beeping that increases in frequency as you back up. I've found that it's much better to have your head up looking in all directions for what's coming your way, while the beeps in your ear tell you how close your bumper is to anything like a curb, child, toy, or car parked behind you.
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Replying to: cason1 (Feb 23, 2008 2:27 am) I'm no Volvo fan either, but I think this is one of the best designs they've had in years. As for the Acura, I'm not in love with that styling, and I wouldn't be willing to pay that much for so little Acura. But that's just me. The MDX is really the only Acura I'd buy. |
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Replying to: jimmy2x (Feb 23, 2008 8:03 am) There is a large margin between the two. But Toyotas can get very pricey (a 42g minivan?! I don't think so). The only other car still in the running is the new Murano which I have yet to drive Haven't driven it yet, but I hear it's much improved over the outgoing model. (and I am aware that the wife thinks it is "ugly" - not that her view would affect my decision ). That's what I'm talking about! 
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Replying to: larryqw (Feb 23, 2008 1:50 pm) I'm with you on this one. Ford lead on this feature and that was great. I had it on my former Expedition and LOVED it. I put it back on my must have list. Hard to believe it took GM so long to make widespread use of this tech. They used it here and there, but not extensively. The bigger the vehicle the nicer it is to have, but it is also nice to have period. I always have trouble judging the distance to my bumper when I am backing in, that is no problem with the sonar system. Anybody know how Ford NAV compares to GM NAV? Sounds like Ford is better. GM seems to take too long to recalculate routes from what I've read. My garmin streetpilot does it in less than a tenth of a mile. That seems right to me. I've seen reports here of two tenths of a mile - that seems grossly inaccurate.
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Replying to: albook (Feb 23, 2008 9:02 am) Nope. Looking at the standard features for the mid-level FWD Flex SEL, which bases at $32070, and the standard features for the top of the line FWD Acadia SLT 4SB, which bases at $36980, those are the most comparable matches. The Flex Limited FWD, which bases at 34705, has too much more on the features list to be comparable to the SLT 4SB. So if you do the math again you'll see that the two I'm comparing are in fact $5000 apart in price. The Limited is a downright steal compared to the Acadia or any other Lambda for that matter. That being said, the styling is what will sell, or not sell, the Flex anyway. Ever since they first showed a production version the comments on this forums have either been yay or nay. You seem to be a little in the middle and you'd be the first I've come across to feel that way about the Flex.
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Flex/TX Specs: Length 202"/200" width 76"/75" height 67/67" legroom rows 1/2/3 40/40 44/40 33/33 hiproom 55/55 55/56 41/45 shoulder & headroom are equal Cargo space behind rows 1/2/3 CuFt 86/85 45/47 20/16 Bottom line...what's the big deal with the Flex. Other than more 2nd row legroom it's equal to the TX.
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Replying to: albook (Feb 23, 2008 9:50 am) Right, but the point is they'll be selling 2 models at the same time. One for people who want something more rugged and SUV like (Does the Pilot come to mind?) and one for those who want something a little more modern and van-like. Compare that to what you'll find on a GMC, Buick, Chevy, or Saturn lot which is only one of those choices but in a much more universal package. Either way every base is covered. Toyota seems to be going down this path in the near future too. True- but ford has had several misses in the past 4-5 years. They need anything they can get (they finally did get one vehicle right- the Edge). One? Mustang, F-150, Fusion, Escape? All have been refreshed in the last 4-5 years and all have met or exceeded expectations. Maybe they weren't all top sellers but not one of them has become a rental lot darling like models of yore.
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Replying to: tourguide (Feb 23, 2008 9:55 am) Um, it was first introduced last Spring in a concept and was called TwinForce. It's going to be in a real vehicle that you can buy within the next couple of months. Honda, you might also know them as the world's largest engine mfr, has been talking about how U.S. versions of their cars and "trucks" are going to get their new diesel engines for nearly a year now too. Let's try to be fair from now on. What about the things Ford was first in? Like first hybrid SUV, first 6-speed tranny in a mid-sized sedan, first body on frame SUV with IRS, etc. That isn't the Flex's fault alone. If you look at the rest of the product lineup they are playing it safe in many cases. No real inspired designs, lots of 'evolved' redesigns with a few minor changes here and there. That isn't going to get the job done So they need more emotional designs, yet now that they have one you don't like it? I'm not sure what you're getting at here?
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