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Replying to: albook (Feb 22, 2008 3:08 pm) Actually after I looked at the prices again and compared them to those of one of the top dogs, the Acadia, it is actually priced really well IMO. It comes with more standard than the GMC yet costs thousands less. It is a bit smaller though. But not that much. I think the engine is a mistak. They shouldn't be using the D35 for something this big considering what the competition is using these days IMO.
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Replying to: baggs32 (Feb 22, 2008 6:12 pm) That's Ford's newest V6. It makes 265hp and is used in the similarly sized TX. What else would they use? Actually after I looked at the prices again and compared them to those of one of the top dogs, the Acadia, it is actually priced really well IMO. It comes with more standard than the GMC yet costs thousands less. It is a bit smaller though. But not that much. Length wise, the Acadia is shorter. So really they are the same size, except for height. As for the price- yes I did notice it was priced comparably to the Acadia. That's the problem. I'm not bashing on Flex, but I don't think as many people would be willing to spend that amount on it as the GMC. It's just so different looking that it caters to only certain tastes. That said, it is smart that Ford is giving buyers a few more standard features than GM- they will need to in order to keep up with their competitors.
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Replying to: albook (Feb 22, 2008 6:51 pm) The D37 is newer and has more torque and HP, or they could use an EcoBoost. I wouldn't be surprised to see either of them in the 2010 flex however. As for the price- yes I did notice it was priced comparably to the Acadia. That's the problem. That's the opposite of what I was saying. Feature-wise the Flex SEL is comparable to the Acadia SLT 4SB. Price-wise the Flex SEL is $5000 cheaper (FWD models). I think you'd have to add the comfort group to the Flex to make it truly comparable to the top Acadia but even then the difference is $4000 or thereabouts. Having only sat in 2 or 3 Acadias I don't see how you or anyone could feel a GMC product is worth that kind of premium but that doesn't mean you're not allowed to. 
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Replying to: cason1 (Feb 22, 2008 5:53 am) Funny thing is - I am comparing with and still seriously considering the 4Runner. Have also driven that (V6) and find that it handles surprisingly well especially with the XREAS suspension. The 4Runner, of course, is a real SUV (body-on-frame) and has true off-road capability. It does not compare well so far as bells and whistles go with the MDX, but it does have a reputation for rock-solid reliability and we are planning to travel to the Rocky Mountain area and upward to Alaska. And I have to admit that I do find the "trucky" look appealing. Nice to have so many choices.
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Replying to: jimmy2x (Feb 22, 2008 7:38 pm) Seriously, if this is the best we can expect from Ford then I expect they won't last much longer before declaring bankruptcy. How anybody green lighted that "family truckster" body simply boggles my mind. What got me interested in it was the feature set, but now that I see the styling - forget it. Ford calls it 'distinctive' - well I guess that would be one word to use, not the one I'd choose to be sure. If you look at the old Freestyle body, and the former 500 design you can see the design influence - ugh. Why would I want a vehicle that says - OLD TIMER ON BOARD?
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Replying to: tourguide (Feb 22, 2008 8:09 pm) squint and look at a flex and see xxxl mini cooper, I'd argue that might not have the OLD TIMER connotations your blinders lead you to see, or not. I'd also argue squint again and see scaled up japanese "cube" vehicles in proportion, are they marketed to OLD TIMER's, I didn't think so. my $.02, your comments are more than a little wide of the mark.
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Replying to: jimmy2x (Feb 22, 2008 7:38 pm) I have a relative that bought a 2008 4-runner right before I got my MDX. They have extremely close stickers. It will be fun to compare them sitting next to one another when I see him this summer.
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Replying to: albook (Feb 22, 2008 10:22 am)
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Replying to: cason1 (Feb 23, 2008 2:24 am) 4Runner LTD with QV package + Tow TMZ app 34K MDX Base TMZ app 38K At least these are the numbers for SE PA. The seating comment is certainly a fair one and something that does bother a significant amount of people. I'm not sure that it is something that one could get used to if it bothered them initially. Fortunately, neither my wife (who realistically will NEVER actually drive it) were at all uncomfortable in it. Probably cause I am already accustomed to driving with the seat down as far as it will go with the back of the seat tilted back more than most people. This will probably be a very difficult decision. The only other car still in the running is the new Murano which I have yet to drive (and I am aware that the wife thinks it is "ugly" - not that her view would affect my decision ).
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Replying to: tourguide (Feb 22, 2008 8:09 pm) In saying all of that you are proving Ford's point. It's distinctive enough that you noticed it. It's also distinctive enough that you don't like it whereas others, myself included, think it's an excellent design. I'm tired of all these swoopy, curvy CUV designs to be honest but they are here to stay for a while I guess. The Enclave's design seems to cater to the masses, meaning everyone seems to like it or, at the least, some aspect of it. But Buick needs that because they sell in low volumes and they can't afford to be more creative (yes, I don't think the Enclave's styling is particularly creative) or they'll lose sales. Ford can afford to be creative with the Flex because they'll have a similarly sized car-based Explorer on th lot right next to it which you can guarantee will appeal to the masses as all past truck-based Explorers have. Banking Ford's future on one vehicle's design is a gross miscalculation because the picture is much larger than that. Do you think the Enclave is going to save GM too? I'm not looking to start a war with you. Just trying to clear things up a bit. 
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