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Re: Lambda vs. MDX [nxs138] by hoser0eh
Feb 22, 2008 (12:26 pm)
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Replying to: nxs138 (Feb 22, 2008 10:23 am)

5 years ago a vehicle priced at $32000 US might have cost $40000 Canadian. However, since the Canadian dollar was only worth 62 cents US back then, the $40000 Canadian price was equal to $24800 US. That was a great deal for Canadians.
  
Actually, that was still a crap deal for Canadians: taking exchange rates only confuses the point. Suppose that we both went to the dealer with a $50k dollar bill (say yours was $50k canadian, mine was $50k american) and bought the same car: at the end of the day you'd have $10k left over, while I would have $18k. I am still relatively $8k richer than you are. With that extra $8k in my hands I can go buy myself 8000 packs of gum, while no gum for you!
  
See the point I'm trying to make?

 
Sorry, but I don't see your point. You cannot ignore the exchange rate if you want to compare properly.You are implying that an American dollar was equal to a Canadian dollar 5 years ago and it simply wasn't. If you had 50K US$ that was equal to over 80K C$ (when the exchange rate was 62 cents), so you are not comparing equal amounts. So in your example, the American would have 18K US left over (50-32) and the Canadian would have 40K Canadian left over (80-40) after buying their vehicles.
 
Try it this way:
If instead of the American buying their vehicle in the US for $32000 US$, they came to Canada with $32000 US$, it would convert to over $51000 Canadian (using a 62 cent exchange rate). They could then buy the $40000 Canadian vehicle and have $11000 C$ left over, because the Canadian vehicle is less expensive than the American one after adjusting for currency.
Similarly, if a Canadian took $40000 C$ to the US and converted it to US dollars, they would only have $24800. Not enough to buy the US car at $32000, because the US model is far more expensive than the Canadian.
Either way you look at it, the Canadian vehicle was a bargain compared to the US one 5 years ago.
Of course today, the reverse is true, and Americans are getting the bargain vehicles, relatively speaking.
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Re: Lambda vs. MDX [hoser0eh] by freealfas
Feb 22, 2008 (8:12 am)
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Replying to: hoser0eh (Feb 22, 2008 12:26 pm)

the term bargain and $40k CUV in either USD or CD is a tough sell theory wise.
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Re: Lambda vs. MDX [ateixeira] by cason1
Feb 22, 2008 (1:38 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 22, 2008 6:02 am)

I bought a 2008 Tech with no other adds other than all weather mats for $40,783 (all fees other than tax included in the price). I'm very happy with it thus far. I think I might buy an RDX to go along with it. Don't tell my wife.
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Re: Lambda vs. MDX [hoser0eh] by nxs138
Feb 22, 2008 (2:11 pm)
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Replying to: hoser0eh (Feb 22, 2008 12:26 pm)

You cannot ignore the exchange rate if you want to compare properly.
 
Sure you can: the Canadian is paying more of his dollars to buy a car in Canada. The American is paying less of his dollars. The exchange rate could be 10:1, it still wouldn't change that fact.
 
The better way to compare would be to look at it this way: what is the percentage cost of the car as compared to the average salary in Canada, and compared to the average salary in the US. Since salaries kinda track each other (I thought it was about $27k for individuals in both countries), you should find that no matter what the exchange rate is, the cost of the Canadian car will always be a bigger percentage chunk of the average Canadian's salary.
  
This is all getting too complicated...I'm sure we'll be told to take it elsewhere!
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Re: Lambda vs. MDX [nxs138] by freealfas
Feb 22, 2008 (3:07 pm)
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Replying to: nxs138 (Feb 22, 2008 2:11 pm)

take it elsewhere....lol, thought I'd oblige....
 
but is Canada or the US more wagon like and who has higher ground clearance??? figure that out and we may have gotten somewhere today...
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Re: Is the Taurus X dying? [baggs32] by albook
Feb 22, 2008 (3:08 pm)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Feb 22, 2008 9:12 am)

But I think it's still kind of pricey
 
I think price is still a bit close to the TX.
 
As for being high, I don't think by too much. Really it's a matter of is anyone willing to pay this much for this vehicle- or a Ford period. Price is what killed the Chrysler Pacifica. The prices are 28g (base) 32g (SEL) and 34g (Limited). I think they all should be decreased by $1000. I'm not totally ure I agree with where they've taking this vehicle, but I will wish Ford good luck. The segment's heating up.
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Re: Lambda vs. MDX [cason1] by albook
Feb 22, 2008 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: cason1 (Feb 22, 2008 5:53 am)

The only three row vehicle at or below the MDX price point that can even come close to the MDX from behind the wheel (and I drove pretty much all of them extensively over the year prior to purchase) was the CX-9.
 
Even in terms of two rows, the best competitors are the RX and M-class. The RX doesn't handle quite as well, and the M-class is a Mercedes- therefore you will have to pay Mercedes premium. And if I had to pick my favorite of those, it would be the M-class, but that doesn't seat seven.
 
Get it on the highway to legal and above-legal speeds.
 
Well that's being responsible.
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Re: Canadian International Auto Show [bobw3] by albook
Feb 22, 2008 (10:19 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Feb 22, 2008 4:09 am)

And even then the interior photos are designed to trick you. They'll give you a shot of a 3rd row with the 2nd row slid all the way forward to make the 3rd row look roomy.
 
And the worst is Lexus. Let's not even pretend that third row seat was intended for more than a shelf for groceries. It's flat on the floor.
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Re: Canadian International Auto Show [chuckhoy] by albook
Feb 22, 2008 (10:20 am)
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Replying to: chuckhoy (Feb 22, 2008 10:06 am)

We fit 8 peopel in a Civic when I was in college. It was neither comfortable or safe, but we did it.
 
Key word: college.
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Re: Lambda vs. MDX [cason1] by albook
Feb 22, 2008 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: cason1 (Feb 22, 2008 1:38 pm)

I think I might buy an RDX to go along with it.
 
Really? I'm not a big fan of the RDX. I'd rather have the competition- especially with the GLK and the Volvo XC60 coming out. And I'm a big fan of the X3.

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