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Re: Canadian International Auto Show [bobw3] by ateixeira
Feb 22, 2008 (4:12 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Feb 22, 2008 4:09 am)

And even then the interior photos are designed to trick you
 
Bingo.
 
Many models used are size 0.
 
Did you know that Honda sold a 10-passenger (yes TEN) CR-V in the Philippines. Not stretched, by the way.
 
No, seriously.
 
It was actually done to avoid taxes, I believe, but they pulled it off!
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Re: Canadian International Auto Show [ateixeira] by freealfas
Feb 22, 2008 (4:32 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 22, 2008 4:12 am)

passengers 7/8 held onto the spare tire on the back door and passengers 9/10 the roof rack, or the other way around???
 
oh, I just figured it out, stacked like cordwood in the back with the seats folded down...that''s it.
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Re: Canadian International Auto Show [freealfas] by chuckhoy
Feb 22, 2008 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: freealfas (Feb 22, 2008 4:32 am)

We fit 8 peopel in a Civic when I was in college. It was neither comfortable or safe, but we did it.
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Re: Canadian International Auto Show [chuckhoy] by freealfas
Feb 22, 2008 (5:11 am)
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Replying to: chuckhoy (Feb 22, 2008 10:06 am)

5 nurses and me as DD in one of their chevettes count??? in college...
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Re: Lambda vs. MDX [hoser0eh] by nxs138
Feb 22, 2008 (10:23 am)
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Replying to: hoser0eh (Feb 21, 2008 8:15 pm)

5 years ago a vehicle priced at $32000 US might have cost $40000 Canadian. However, since the Canadian dollar was only worth 62 cents US back then, the $40000 Canadian price was equal to $24800 US. That was a great deal for Canadians.
 
Actually, that was still a crap deal for Canadians: taking exchange rates only confuses the point. Suppose that we both went to the dealer with a $50k dollar bill (say yours was $50k canadian, mine was $50k american) and bought the same car: at the end of the day you'd have $10k left over, while I would have $18k. I am still relatively $8k richer than you are. With that extra $8k in my hands I can go buy myself 8000 packs of gum, while no gum for you!
 
See the point I'm trying to make?
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Re: Canadian International Auto Show [freealfas] by ateixeira
Feb 22, 2008 (5:43 am)
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Replying to: freealfas (Feb 22, 2008 5:11 am)

Now *that* actually sounds like fun.
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Re: Lambda vs. MDX [jimmy2x] by cason1
Feb 22, 2008 (5:53 am)
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Replying to: jimmy2x (Feb 21, 2008 6:13 am)

My wife and I looked at the Lambdas and the CX-9 (pretty hard at the CX-9) and a long list of others, but ended up buying the MDX. Yes the MDX is slightly smaller, but it is plenty large enough the vast majority of the time for my family of four. When it's not, I have a trailer hitch carrier and a small trailer that can make up the difference. And unlike a lot of these vehicles, the MDX handles really well. The difference doesn't really show up in comparing skidpad numbers and acceleration times, but rather in the overall feeling of control, stability and...believe it or not...the fun you feel while driving it. The only three row vehicle at or below the MDX price point that can even come close to the MDX from behind the wheel (and I drove pretty much all of them extensively over the year prior to purchase) was the CX-9. I certainly have some nits to pick with the MDX (plood, cell phone interface, front styling, etc), but I've never owned a vehicle where I didn't.
 
Unless a person's budget rules it out, it should at least get a looonnnng test drive. And not just around the corner. Get it on the highway to legal and above-legal speeds. Get it on a curvy road and spend enough time with the SH-AWD to understand how to make it work. Check out it's maneuverability in tight parking lots. Ok, maybe not that...it is rather wide. After doing all that, it was one of the easier buying decisions I ever made.
 
Disclaimer - These, of course, are my opinions. Your opinions may (and probably will) vary if you are not a "car" guy like me. "Truck" guys will most likely hate the MDX.
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Re: Lambda vs. MDX [cason1] by ateixeira
Feb 22, 2008 (6:02 am)
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Replying to: cason1 (Feb 22, 2008 5:53 am)

Actually, it does show up in the skidpad numbers. The MDX aced the skidpad in C&D tests, at least. 0.87 Gs IIRC. Other crossovers are usually around 0.75g or so.
 
Impressive. And not just impressive "for a crossover", impressive with no disclaimers at all.
 
What did you pay for yours? With what options?
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Re: Lambda vs. MDX [cjsb] by volkov
Feb 22, 2008 (11:11 am)
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Replying to: cjsb (Feb 22, 2008 8:44 am)

Yes, I think it's very important to note that this is not the fault of your local dealer. A dealer I know complained 2 years ago when the C$ was much weaker that he could walk onto a lot in Wash state and buy a vehicle for less than he had to pay the Canadian distributor. The Canadian dollar has been appreciating for 7 years now. Until there was a consumer complaint backlash in the past 5 months, they never made any adjustments to pricing.
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Re: Lambda vs. MDX [nxs138] by hoser0eh
Feb 22, 2008 (12:26 pm)
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Replying to: nxs138 (Feb 22, 2008 10:23 am)

5 years ago a vehicle priced at $32000 US might have cost $40000 Canadian. However, since the Canadian dollar was only worth 62 cents US back then, the $40000 Canadian price was equal to $24800 US. That was a great deal for Canadians.
  
Actually, that was still a crap deal for Canadians: taking exchange rates only confuses the point. Suppose that we both went to the dealer with a $50k dollar bill (say yours was $50k canadian, mine was $50k american) and bought the same car: at the end of the day you'd have $10k left over, while I would have $18k. I am still relatively $8k richer than you are. With that extra $8k in my hands I can go buy myself 8000 packs of gum, while no gum for you!
  
See the point I'm trying to make?

 
Sorry, but I don't see your point. You cannot ignore the exchange rate if you want to compare properly.You are implying that an American dollar was equal to a Canadian dollar 5 years ago and it simply wasn't. If you had 50K US$ that was equal to over 80K C$ (when the exchange rate was 62 cents), so you are not comparing equal amounts. So in your example, the American would have 18K US left over (50-32) and the Canadian would have 40K Canadian left over (80-40) after buying their vehicles.
 
Try it this way:
If instead of the American buying their vehicle in the US for $32000 US$, they came to Canada with $32000 US$, it would convert to over $51000 Canadian (using a 62 cent exchange rate). They could then buy the $40000 Canadian vehicle and have $11000 C$ left over, because the Canadian vehicle is less expensive than the American one after adjusting for currency.
Similarly, if a Canadian took $40000 C$ to the US and converted it to US dollars, they would only have $24800. Not enough to buy the US car at $32000, because the US model is far more expensive than the Canadian.
Either way you look at it, the Canadian vehicle was a bargain compared to the US one 5 years ago.
Of course today, the reverse is true, and Americans are getting the bargain vehicles, relatively speaking.

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