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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Popular Mechanics Comparison [hoser0eh] by aviboy97
Feb 17, 2008 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: hoser0eh (Feb 17, 2008 7:39 am)

What I don't understand is how low the Highlander is rated so low. They claim that the Highlander has "middle of the road power", but yet later in the review, they state it's the "fastest people hauler in it's class". Then, they hit it with a 6.8 out of 10 for "performance". I guess it handles pretty bad. I know it's about the "total package", but, since I have never driven a new Highlander, I didn't think it would drive as bad as they say it did. Pretty interesting.
 
Also of note, I saw several references to the CX-9 throughout every review of the 7 seater crossovers, but, yet it's not on the list. Does that make any sense? How is the Trailblazer and H3 ranked and the CX-9 is not? Am I the only one here scratching my head??
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Re: A little advice... [aviboy97] by albook
Feb 17, 2008 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Feb 14, 2008 4:05 pm)

The CX-7 is out selling the CX-9
 
Okay, but what are the numbers of the CX-7 compared to a competitor like the Murano or Edge?
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Re: A little advice... [chuckhoy] by albook
Feb 17, 2008 (10:13 am)
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Replying to: chuckhoy (Feb 12, 2008 12:36 pm)

Having different divisions is fine as long as they fulfil different missions. Luxury division, near-luxury division, vanilla division, performance division, etc... The problem with the GM divisions is that there is little differentiation between the divisions. Caddy is the luxury division, Buick is the near luxury division, the rest are a mish-mash of ideas and identities. That is not a good thing.
 
True, except I'd say Pontiac is headed in the direction of defining and separating itself from the others. THe real problem is Saturn and Chevy. They sit right on top of each other.
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Re: A little advice... [thegraduate] by albook
Feb 17, 2008 (10:19 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Feb 12, 2008 6:13 pm)

It depends on what you "value" most. One man's treasure is another man's trash. To me, neither vehicle is a perfect blend, but both are good overall. They just cater to different audiences in my opinion.
 
I second that. The Pilot is more for those who want more of an SUV package, and those capabilities. The TX is for someone who needs to seat 6-7 but really wants a car. And it would have sold well had it been targeted in that direction. Look at the new Toyota Venza. It's targeted right for that markte (except for seating 5) and it will sell great. Some sexy, more carlike Edge styling, and it would have been a hit.
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Re: A little advice... [aviboy97] by albook
Feb 17, 2008 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Feb 13, 2008 9:09 am)

Considering that the CX-9 is up to date in technology, size and power, and the Pilot is not, the $1,200 difference is quite minimal.
 
I'll go with power, and maybe technology in the bluetooth category, but size wize, the Pilot is a great fit. The third row is just as comfortable as in a CX-9, and the 12 cuft loss in cargo space isn't that bad considering the foot loss in length. The Pilot does a great job with it's small dimensions (though that's probably because it's a box). However, for 40g, I wouldn't even be looking at these two. I'd get an MDX.
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Re: A little advice... [nxs138] by albook
Feb 17, 2008 (10:40 am)
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Replying to: nxs138 (Feb 14, 2008 7:21 pm)

I don't have survey results as to what previous vehicle Acadia owners had, but one thing is for sure, the Acadia is stealing sales from its GM SUV brothers: for 2007, Envoy sales were down 35%, Trailblazer down 23%, Equinox down 22%, Yukon and Tahoe down 10%, and minivan sales down over 75%, but who cares about those, right
 
Really, I'd have to say right. Minivan sales down? Have you driven an Uplander? Go sit in one and you'll figure it out. Those sales from '06 are probably down 75% from 2005, too. The Envoy and siblings, as well as the Suburban and it's siblings have also been losing sales, as the SUV market has been diminishing. That's the reason these CUVs are here. But I did say in the post you replied to that the lambdas very well could be taking some of these sales, as, unlike the CX-9, the lambdas come from a company that produces many overlapping vehicles (like Envoys and Yukons and Uplanders).
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Re: A little advice... [volkov] by albook
Feb 17, 2008 (10:50 am)
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Replying to: volkov (Feb 15, 2008 11:24 am)

In my world 3000 miles without a problem isn't anything to brag about. I've only ever owned 1 vehicle that did have a problem before 3K. It was a GM. None of our others had any problems before 20K. YMMV.
 
Some people aren't big mileage drivers. One of my friends has a '00 Mustang with 15,000 miles on it that he drives around the corner to work every day.
 
I have a 7 year old vehicle in my garage with over 130k miles and my primary driving vehicle (3 years old) with over 50k miles. And those numbers would be signifigcantly larger if we didn't have a third vehicle that takes some of the miles(especially my car-I drive the 3rd vehicle to work 40% of the time, now). 3k miles to me is nothing.
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Re: Popular Mechanics Comparison [jimmy2x] by albook
Feb 17, 2008 (11:06 am)
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Replying to: jimmy2x (Feb 16, 2008 9:58 am)

Which brings up a very important point. Most of us have to live with what we buy for a significant length of time. If the look of it doesn't make you happy, all the features, reliability, handling, etc. are meaningless. There are few things more irritating than getting into a car everday that you can hardly stand to look at.
 
I totally agree. And while I think you should have more criteria than looks, if you don't like the way you're vehicle looks, then you're doing nothing but making a huge monthly payment. Mine in this case is the Subaru Tribeca. It could get 30 mpg and have more the most room inside, and best handling of any vehicle on this froum, but I would still never get near one with my checkbook.
 
I also think you should pay your car off and have it at least a year after before moving to something different. So I think you should get something you know you will be happy with for 5 years (I always pay mine off years before the final note is due, just in case).
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Re: Popular Mechanics Comparison [aviboy97] by albook
Feb 17, 2008 (11:12 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Feb 16, 2008 6:07 am)

Did I hear you correctly ...the Tribeca look better then the CX-9? Just curious....
 
No way! I think Subaru made a mistake in the drawing board and ran with it! I think the CX-9 looks awkward and disproportionate, but decent- not that bad. Though a little too van like for my tastes, it decently achieves it's goal of looking sporty. I don't know where Subaru was going- especially with the original.
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Re: Popular Mechanics Comparison [nxs138] by albook
Feb 17, 2008 (11:17 am)
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Replying to: nxs138 (Feb 17, 2008 7:59 am)

Third row is more comfortable than the Acadia, imo (better seats, more knee space, not as low to the ground), but headroom is lacking for tall people, and ease of access to that third row is better in the Acadia if you have captains chairs.
 
Wow! That's one I've never heard before. The Acadia has third row seats the closest to a minivan (not right on the floor, like the others). Maybe it's a 6+ ft thing, but I would never go near the CX-9's third row for a trip. The Lambdas, I could do easily (but you're right- the CX-9's headroom does factor into that). They are so much more comfortable to me. PM gave ease of third row access to the VC? Smartslide is so much easier to use to get to the way back.

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