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GMC Acadia, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV
#5433 of 7355 Re: Pacifica [albook]
Jan 31, 2008 (9:43 pm)
I ask simply your opinion of the pacifica CUV,
which opinion are you going to go with;
this one posted today,
I'm wondering why the Pacifica isn't discussed here more. Really I'm wondering why it never did well. I do understand that is was overpriced when it entered the market and that it needed more power, but the rest was on point. The third row was small- but there weren't many SUVs out there with good third rows. I consider it the last luury model out of Chrysler ( before Chryslere's interiors became crap). Though Chrysler took forever and a week to bring it to market, I though it was a good competitor
or this one;
#10 of 23 Re: 2009 Dodge Journey [qbrozen] by albook Aug 30, 2007 (12:37 pm)Save | Reply
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Apr 23, 2005
Replying to: qbrozen (Aug 29, 2007 9:07 am)
"The interior of the Pac is far from a letdown. I have yet to have someone in ours who did NOT comment how luxurious it is. Have you driven the competition? We liked our Pilot, but it comes nowhere near the refinement of the Pac on interior comfort. I agree that the interior dimensions in terms of cabin height leave a bit to be desired. Its not as open and airy as many mid-sized utes. And maybe that was its downfall."
Is any of that based in fact? Let me help you out- NO. The interior fails to meet todays standards (I'll giv ethat one a break- it is 5 years old) Both the interior and exterior are dated. Comfort is terrible. Chrysler should just discontinue it because they won't be selling very many more. Any one looking at this versus the Buick Enclave will turn their noses up after just sitting inisde this!
We can gripe all we want about if it was a failure or not, but there is one factor that determines it-sales. Thankyou!!!
That's why this new crossover has to be what the Pacifica wasn't- competitive.
so we can know where you stand on you thoughts regarding this CUV since you wanted to engage in converation about it today.
#5434 of 7355 Re: Veracruz and Santa Fe [vad1819]
Feb 01, 2008 (12:18 am)
By the way for almost 5 month of owning the Acadia, I have zero problems. So don't tell me about GM reliability again. It's full of ............
Well, actually it's not full of .... . Rather it's an honest report of our experience. We've owned 2 Toyos, 2 Nissans, a Honda, a Subaru and a VW in addition to two GMCs. Either of the GM products has had more problems per year of ownership than all the others combined. For the record, that's 45 vehicle-years of the imports with a grand total of 4 problems of any kind versus 8 vehicle years for GM with 5 obvious problems requiring repair and many more "minor issues" I didn't even relate. None of our other vehicles had issues with trim parts breaking, interior rust soaking through the carpet or other issues that our GM dealer informed us was "wear and tear".
I have no idea what the Hyundai experience might be from a reliability or dealer service standpoint. I do know that our GM experience fit the unreliable stereotype, and is not "full of ...." unless you mean "full of genuine and honest experience".
#5435 of 7355 Re: Veracruz and Santa Fe [volkov]
Feb 01, 2008 (5:03 am)
I can't help you, if you don't believe me. I had Audi, couple VW's, Ford Explorer, couple Nissan's, Acura, Subaru. I don't have any problems with this cars. May be small one check engine. Am i lucky one? No.
#5436 of 7355 Re: they won't be dealing on an enclave anytime soon... [baggs32]
Feb 01, 2008 (6:00 am)
Now that can be argued along with the portliness of the Lambdas. All three are faults and could have easily been corrected during development.
I am not so sure on this. I think the things that people value in a car (safety, noise reduction, thunk of door, electronic everything, etc...) cause the weight to go up. I am sure GM wanted to keep costs down so they were limited in the material to use. You can't go using carbon fiber for everything and expect to get a base price around $30k on a vehicle as large as a minivan. I am sure they could make it half the weight, but it will cost you to buy the weight reduction. It will be either louder, a lot less safe or cost more. My guess is that most people would rather have the extra weight.
#5437 of 7355 Re: Pacifica [freealfas]
Feb 01, 2008 (6:06 am)
The Pacifica was overpriced to begin with but my main problem with it is is looks more like a station wagon than an SUV. In comparison, the Pilot, Vera Cruz, Acadia, etc. all look more like SUVs, which most people prefer in my opinion. Am I the only one who thinks this way?
That being said the Pacifica is a pretty darn good buy gently used.
#5438 of 7355 Re: Pacifica [robbieg]
Feb 01, 2008 (6:43 am)
Mercedes R class look like a Pacifica. But the interior of Pacifica better than TX/FS. I had one time for rent, it's quite inside, nice ride I tell you, but it feels more van alike.
#5439 of 7355 Re: Veracruz and Santa Fe [volkov]
Feb 01, 2008 (8:31 am)
The 2007 Lambdas were mostly unreliable, but a lot of progress has been made in the 2008. At least GM was quick to notice the issues and try to solve them, especially since there's a lot riding on these new crossovers, imo.
I bet the 2009 models will be even better. If the 2009s get the direct injection engines and an increase in fuel economy as well as an increase in HP, people who bought the 2007/08 models will be furious!!!
#5440 of 7355 Re: Pacifica [vad1819]
Feb 01, 2008 (8:42 am)
True, but the R class hasn't met sales expectations either.
IMHO the reason is they simply priced it too high. It costs more than a similar ML does, while it should have cost less. Most manufacturers price their minivans below their SUVs.
Sorry for using the "M" word.
#5441 of 7355 Re: New Murano [freealfas]
Feb 01, 2008 (9:18 am)
wow, the idea of you and I in the same place...hmmmm...
You'll be there? That is something to think about.
#5442 of 7355 Re: Veracruz and Santa Fe [nxs138]
Feb 01, 2008 (9:25 am)
It's true. I will. The resale price will go down. I think it will more like a option. Otherwise, GM will lose money too on lease and GM smartbuy. Let's see how GM will handle this situation.