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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Veracruz and Santa Fe [vad1819] by ateixeira
Jan 31, 2008 (12:29 pm)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 31, 2008 11:44 am)

All I can say is to go sit in a Hyundai Azera or Veracruz, if you are open-minded enough, and you'll be surprised.
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Re: Veracruz and Santa Fe [volkov] by vad1819
Jan 31, 2008 (12:31 pm)
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Replying to: volkov (Jan 31, 2008 12:11 pm)

it's interesting place here. Everyone likes everything I don't like. So, Q for all of you:
What do u prefer more between CX-9,TX and Veracruz? So make up your mind.
By the way for almost 5 month of owning the Acadia, I have zero problems. So don't tell me about GM reliability again. It's full of ............
I don't beleive in some issues the owner had. You can say about any car had problems.( veracruz has cases of leaks inside) But numbers don't lie, the Acadia most saalling CUV in 7 pass class.
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Re: Veracruz and Santa Fe [vad1819] by ateixeira
Jan 31, 2008 (12:36 pm)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 31, 2008 12:31 pm)

Each of the 3 has its appeal.
 
The Taurus X is likely the most practical. It's well priced after discounts, and has great visibility.
 
The CX9 is easy - it's the sportiest of the 3 by far. It would be my personal choice among the 3, but my wife might choose differently. Oddly enough it lacks comfort IMHO, the console rubs my right knee the wrong way and the heated seats need more settings that hold certain temperatures. It could also use a brighter NAV screen.
 
The Veracruz has the most comfortable seats, and the best leather I've sampled in the entire segment. Fit for a King, to be on his throne. It's also well priced after discounts.
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Re: Veracruz and Santa Fe [vad1819] by thegraduate
Jan 31, 2008 (12:49 pm)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 31, 2008 11:11 am)

Pontiac was and will produce good sedans.
 
We'll have to disagree there. The Grand-Am, the Sunbird/Sunfire... garbage as far as I'm concerned.
 
Back tot he topic at hand.
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Re: Veracruz and Santa Fe [ateixeira] by vad1819
Jan 31, 2008 (12:49 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 31, 2008 12:36 pm)

"The Veracruz has the most comfortable seats, and the best leather I've sampled in the entire segment. Fit for a King, to be on his throne. It's also well priced after discounts."
 
I have read different opinion, that you can't find more comfortable position and low visibility. In the end it's Hyundai. Crapy third row seat. Underpower.
Same about Mazda. Good design and sporty but low visibility, rear parking unreal difficult. Crapy third row seat.
TX is old design. DVD drop down sreen block rear view.
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Re: Veracruz and Santa Fe [vad1819] by thegraduate
Jan 31, 2008 (12:58 pm)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 31, 2008 12:49 pm)

In the end it's Hyundai.
 
And?
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Re: Veracruz and Santa Fe [vad1819] by mpuzach
Jan 31, 2008 (12:58 pm)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 31, 2008 12:49 pm)

It seems to me that you've decided that there's something wrong with everything out there except your beloved Acadia (which, by the way, is a pretty nice SUV). I suggest, however, that you base your opinions on first-hand experience rather than on what you read (at least with regard to comfort and visibility). I've looked very closely at the Veracruz and can assure you that its seats are very comfortable (to me, at least). I also didn't have a problem with visibility.
 
As to your comment, "In the end it's a Hyundai", I suggest that you consider the car on its own merits and not on the reputation of cars that were built 20 years ago. They've come a long way since then.
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Re: Veracruz and Santa Fe [mpuzach] by thegraduate
Jan 31, 2008 (1:00 pm)
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Replying to: mpuzach (Jan 31, 2008 12:58 pm)

As to your comment, "In the end it's a Hyundai", I suggest that you consider the car on its own merits and not on the reputation of cars that were built 20 years ago. They've come a long way since then.
      
 
Indeed. If one can look past GM's dark days (and there were plenty), they can overlook Hyundai's dark days as well. Well, I hope.
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Re: Veracruz and Santa Fe [vad1819] by ateixeira
Jan 31, 2008 (1:15 pm)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 31, 2008 12:49 pm)

Remember something - the predecessor to the Acadia was the Saturn Relay/Buick Terraza/Chevy Uplander.
 
That didn't exactly get rants and raves.
 
Would it be fair for someone who owned a Relay to have a bias against Saturn, and dismiss the Acadia/Outlook?
 
That's not fair, the Outlook is a huge improvement over the older, simply uncompetitive Relay. You gave GM another chance.
 
To not give Hyundai that chance just shows a bias.
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Re: Veracruz and Santa Fe [vad1819] by freealfas
Jan 31, 2008 (1:37 pm)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 31, 2008 11:44 am)

Again, no one is arguing with your preferences for whatever priorities you defined for you, what people take issue with is your logic leading to the unneccessary bias.
 
you want "facts" or as much as they can be;
 
complete article
(http://www.autooninfo.net/NAEd200801HyundaiReliabilityVsGMReliability.htm)
 
"By Consumer Reports' Reliability-Verdict history for model years 1998 to 2007, Hyundai Motor Company dramatically distanced itself from General Motors Corporation. Of Hyundai's 54 used-car reliability verdicts for this period, 14.8% were much better than average, 31.5% were better than average, 37.0% were average, 13.0% were below average, and only 3.7% were much below average. By contrast, of General Motors Corporation's 579 used-car reliability verdicts (for all of its models save those from its Saab line and the two engineered by Toyota), only 0.3% were much better than average, only 10.2% were better than average, and 45.1% were average, but 19.7% were worse than average and a whopping 24.7% were much worse than average. If the Saab line is included in the count, of GM's 604 used-car reliability verdicts, only 0.5% were much better than average, only 9.8% were better than average, and 45.2% were average, but 20.0% were worse than average and a whopping 24.5% were much worse than ave..."
 
and no I don't like CR but It seems their process is consistent and there are others that agree to support this.
 
a 20yr old hyundai or a 20yr old gm J-car is a POS every day of the week even when sitting shiney and new on the showroom floor.
 
to equate that to anything that hyunai, gm or otherwise is making today is a patently false and inaccurrate assessment of the cuv offerings from each.
 
tell all the lambda owners that bought an '07 well I don't have any problem's like you are with my '08 therefore it is the best cuv being made today and see what they tell you. your day will come that it will fail you in some regard costing you time, money or both just like it will for the rest of us.
 
you simply take your chances on the day you write the check and pick up the keys to drive it away.
 
for you it's the best, to me you could not be more wrong, neither of us are "right" plain and simple no matter how many time you say you are.
 
and yes I voted with my wallet, bought a FS in '05 before your favorites showed up and still have no regrets despite them showing up to the party late. and that's 30k problem free miles later.
 
go start the Iloveallthingsgmlambdadespitetheproblemsotherownershave.com site and sit on that mountain top and see how many likeminded there are out there. and may i suggest don't quit the day job to find this new fortune just yet.

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