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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 28, 2008 9:11 am) This is nitpicky, but have you actually seen anything to verify this? I know at one time (2004-2005) premium for the FXT was only "recommended", but the manual & gas cap list it as "required" starting in MY06 (the year I bought mine) and AFAIK it has not changed since. And it's got 224 horses, not 234.  But more important than anything... starting in 2010 in the U.S. the Forester will be offered with the new 2.0L boxer diesel, a powerplant which is currently getting absolutely rave reviews from Europe. How many other crossovers sold stateside will be able to boast a new, clean diesel in the next two years? Doug
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Replying to: chuckhoy (Jan 28, 2008 9:28 am) By the way, I would have gladly tried an Outlook if we had a Saturn dealer near us, but we don't. I hope that you and your wife are enjoying the Outlook. I imagine that it is a great vehicle, if it is anything like the Enclave that we drove.
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Replying to: hoser0eh (Jan 28, 2008 8:48 pm) save the money on the buy-in and reap the advantages of local service that might be better than you would have received otherwise. just a thought... and good luck |
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 28, 2008 11:26 am) This site where you’ve read that comparo for instance is almost 100% car advertising. I looked through the Automobile mag and yes, in fact more then 50% automotive ads are by non auto manufacturers (not quite 80% though), which are tires, stereo, even a diamond ring. But we also don’t know how much a manufacturer pays to a magazine to do a car review, which is in addition to regular ads. Regardless of the other advertised goods, these are still a car magazines, which issue “Car of the year” awards or publish car comparison ratings. They don’t rate tires nor they say that Bose is better then Harman Kardon, which is better then Pioneer. So basically this is a car magazine, which issues car ratings and it gets substantial revenue from car manufacturers. Enough said, it’s a marketing magazine. Imagine, that judge and jury in a court room are paid directly by one or both sides of the law suite. Would you really need any proof in addition to some common sense, that this can not be a fair trial??? |
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 28, 2008 11:26 am) No you misunderstood: According to your own logic, your personal opinion that magazines' opinions of vehicles are not bias due to revenue generated by advertisement does not count (unless you have a proof). If you want to be consistent, personal opinion of “experts” should not count either, uless they have a "proof". Also we don’t know qualifications of these “experts”. I am more interested in ratings here on edmunds.com by real-world owners. Real-world owners don't market or sell cars, but instead they buy them paying hard earned dollars. I have more trust to a 100 of real people who bought a car and drive it for a few months, rather then to one magazine “expert”, who drives a brand new car from dealership just for an hour and who is paid by advertising dollars.
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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 28, 2008 9:32 pm) Isn't the burden of proof normally on the one making the accusation?
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Replying to: dstew1 (Jan 28, 2008 6:57 pm) The diesel sounds great, in fact if it were for me that would probably be my choice. We don't really want to wait that long, though. The diesel boxer has received rave reviews, and manages to be both quick and efficient. Let's see how they price it. To answer your question, I think it'll be interesting to see if Honda brings a diesel CR-V before Subaru brings a diesel Forester. It would be nice to be able to have choices. |
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Replying to: mchappell (Jan 29, 2008 5:41 am)
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Jamie LaReau Automotive News January 21, 2008 - 12:01 am ET "DETROIT — General Motors is boosting production of its hot-selling Buick Enclave crossover. It will also switch to a "turn and earn" allocation system in which dealers who sell the most Enclaves will get the biggest allotment of them. Enclave inventory "is still very, very tight — in fact, we're changing the process of allocation," says Jim Bunnell, head of Buick, Pontiac and GMC. "We'll flip it more to a turn-and-earn. It's been on a controlled allocation, and we're doing everything possible to maximize growth." Over the next three months, GM will increase Enclave production, Bunnell said at the auto show. Monthly sales were projected at around 3,000 units but have been 4,000 to 5,000. The company sold 4,726 Enclaves in December. GM will continue the two-shift operation at its plant near Lansing, Mich., where the crossover is built. But "we'll remix the plant to get the optimal build and have as many Enclaves as we possibly can," Bunnell said. "Over time, we'll see more month over month." Lease deals have been the main incentive offer on the Enclave, Bunnell said. "We're not going to run a lot of cash offers on them," he said, "because frankly, we don't need to."
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 29, 2008 7:45 am) Understood. My comment was directed to the poster that is stating that the magazines are totally biased due to ad revenues.
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