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Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 28, 2008 10:30 am) That's too big for our current purchase, but I'm curious to see that interior. Bummer. I should go on the first day, and then go a 2nd time to catch what I missed. |
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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 28, 2008 9:45 am) I just flipped through a recent copy of C&D. There were 52 ads placed by non auto manufacturers and 13 placed by the auto manufacturers. I don't see how "99%" of their revenue is generated by 20% of their ad space. That makes no sence. Once again, do you have proof that their assessments of vehicles is asque and based on monies that various auto manufacturers give them? Such as Toyota and Honda gaining praise over Mitsu because Honda and Toyota advertise more with that magazine? BTY, the issue of C&D I flipped through was March 07, and there was one Toyota, one Honda and one Mitsu ad, all were full page. I think it is safe to say, they all cost the same. Then be consistent: you should not count personal opinions of magazine “experts”, nor your own personal opinions I think you misunderstood me. You personal opinion that magazines' opinions of vehicles are bias due to revenue generated by advertisement does not count. Not your actual opinion of the vehicle. Best product does not always have biggest market share (Microsoft/Apple, betamax/VHS, etc.) Point well made. Cannot disagree with you there. I am a loyal Apple computer owner.
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 28, 2008 10:12 am) I am with you. The only way you can definitively say that something is comfortable and fits your needs is to do what I do. Climb in the back of a car and plop your behind in the seat while somebody else drives the car around. Our salesman looked at me funny because when my wife was doing the test-drive I headed straight to the 3rd row to sit. If the comfort in the least comfortable spot is good, then ther rest will be good. Then again, when my dad and I took my sister to college one year I had to spend 5 hours in one of those little folding seats behind the passenger seat in a S-10 pickup with a 10 gallon fishtank full of CDs on my lap. I did not complain, much. Many people have said that my threshold for pain and suffering is abnormally high. |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 28, 2008 9:11 am) This is nitpicky, but have you actually seen anything to verify this? I know at one time (2004-2005) premium for the FXT was only "recommended", but the manual & gas cap list it as "required" starting in MY06 (the year I bought mine) and AFAIK it has not changed since. And it's got 224 horses, not 234.  But more important than anything... starting in 2010 in the U.S. the Forester will be offered with the new 2.0L boxer diesel, a powerplant which is currently getting absolutely rave reviews from Europe. How many other crossovers sold stateside will be able to boast a new, clean diesel in the next two years? Doug
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Replying to: chuckhoy (Jan 28, 2008 9:28 am) By the way, I would have gladly tried an Outlook if we had a Saturn dealer near us, but we don't. I hope that you and your wife are enjoying the Outlook. I imagine that it is a great vehicle, if it is anything like the Enclave that we drove.
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Replying to: hoser0eh (Jan 28, 2008 8:48 pm) save the money on the buy-in and reap the advantages of local service that might be better than you would have received otherwise. just a thought... and good luck |
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 28, 2008 11:26 am) This site where you’ve read that comparo for instance is almost 100% car advertising. I looked through the Automobile mag and yes, in fact more then 50% automotive ads are by non auto manufacturers (not quite 80% though), which are tires, stereo, even a diamond ring. But we also don’t know how much a manufacturer pays to a magazine to do a car review, which is in addition to regular ads. Regardless of the other advertised goods, these are still a car magazines, which issue “Car of the year” awards or publish car comparison ratings. They don’t rate tires nor they say that Bose is better then Harman Kardon, which is better then Pioneer. So basically this is a car magazine, which issues car ratings and it gets substantial revenue from car manufacturers. Enough said, it’s a marketing magazine. Imagine, that judge and jury in a court room are paid directly by one or both sides of the law suite. Would you really need any proof in addition to some common sense, that this can not be a fair trial??? |
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 28, 2008 11:26 am) No you misunderstood: According to your own logic, your personal opinion that magazines' opinions of vehicles are not bias due to revenue generated by advertisement does not count (unless you have a proof). If you want to be consistent, personal opinion of “experts” should not count either, uless they have a "proof". Also we don’t know qualifications of these “experts”. I am more interested in ratings here on edmunds.com by real-world owners. Real-world owners don't market or sell cars, but instead they buy them paying hard earned dollars. I have more trust to a 100 of real people who bought a car and drive it for a few months, rather then to one magazine “expert”, who drives a brand new car from dealership just for an hour and who is paid by advertising dollars.
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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 28, 2008 9:32 pm) Isn't the burden of proof normally on the one making the accusation?
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Replying to: dstew1 (Jan 28, 2008 6:57 pm) The diesel sounds great, in fact if it were for me that would probably be my choice. We don't really want to wait that long, though. The diesel boxer has received rave reviews, and manages to be both quick and efficient. Let's see how they price it. To answer your question, I think it'll be interesting to see if Honda brings a diesel CR-V before Subaru brings a diesel Forester. It would be nice to be able to have choices. |
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