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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 28, 2008 9:25 am) Hmm, Subaru includes a backup cam with their GPS (per the preliminary spec sheet). Funny thing is you don't even need it! It should be the other way around, Subaru doesn't need it and Mitsubishi should include it. Sounds cheap enough to DIY. I checked Fitzgerald Mitsubishi and they have no 4 bangers in stock. Guess I have to wait to sample both of these.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 28, 2008 9:49 am) 2009 Forester? Yes, that one seems to be very nicely equipped, except fot 4-speed tranny. It would be much more expensive though. >>I checked Fitzgerald Mitsubishi and they have no 4 bangers in stock. Guess I have to wait to sample both of these. But I guess they don't have a Special Edition yet, so you would testing a basic entry level Outlander.
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Replying to: chuckhoy (Jan 28, 2008 8:16 am) We did 4 adults and two kids in full size car seats this past Summer on a 10 hour trip to NC. I heard no complaint from anyone and they all slept like babies. Oddly enough, the legroom for all 3 rows in our '06 Explorer is listed as being greater than that of your Outlook. The Outlook wins on head, shoulder, and hip room for all 3 rows however. Measurements also show that the TX legroom is greater than the Outlook's in rows 2 and 3. I guess bench height comes into play but I have to wonder why anyone would care about this stuff? They're all comfortable, and I think you're with me on this, so why split the hairs for an inch or two of legroom? Maybe it's just me because I don't really care about that stuff. I want the vehicle to drive well and do what I intend it to do which is to get me and my family from A to B safely and in relative comfort.
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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 28, 2008 9:57 am) Any how, NAV is supposed to be a stand-alone option on the LL Bean and XT Limited models only, and like I said, we're going to pass. The LL Bean should come in around $25k or so street price, retail around $27k. 4 speed auto is the only major strike I could find against the Forester. Subaru is rumored to have a CVT in the works for next model year, it just wasn't ready for the launch of the new 09 model. So looks like the Rogue, Forester, and Outlander 4 bangers will all employ CVTs. RAV4 still has a 4EAT as well, Honda a 5 speed. Santa Fe offers both 4 and 5 speeds, oddly enough. Just looked and gas mileage is lacking on the SF, so that may rule it out for us.
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Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 27, 2008 2:29 pm) I see where you're coming from now. The seats, floor and some other smaller details are very similar. I thought you were talking about the dash and other more obvious things like the insides of the doors, because they are very different. It makes a lot of sense that there would be some similarites as they are both built on the same modified Volvo platform (XC90, S80, XC70). Since Mulally let the cat out of the bag regarding the all new from the ground up 2009 Taurus, and the recent intro of the Explorer America, the Ford forums have been very active regarding the future of the TX. So far it doesn't look good for the TX. Word is the Explorer America concept will be a production model come 2009, the Flex will be for sale and the new Taurus will be going on sale too. All of them will use the same Volvo platform with the Explorer and Flex basically being the replacements for the TX. In that sense you can almost say that the Flex will be the all new TX. 
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 28, 2008 10:15 am) |
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 28, 2008 10:30 am) That's too big for our current purchase, but I'm curious to see that interior. Bummer. I should go on the first day, and then go a 2nd time to catch what I missed. |
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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 28, 2008 9:45 am) I just flipped through a recent copy of C&D. There were 52 ads placed by non auto manufacturers and 13 placed by the auto manufacturers. I don't see how "99%" of their revenue is generated by 20% of their ad space. That makes no sence. Once again, do you have proof that their assessments of vehicles is asque and based on monies that various auto manufacturers give them? Such as Toyota and Honda gaining praise over Mitsu because Honda and Toyota advertise more with that magazine? BTY, the issue of C&D I flipped through was March 07, and there was one Toyota, one Honda and one Mitsu ad, all were full page. I think it is safe to say, they all cost the same. Then be consistent: you should not count personal opinions of magazine “experts”, nor your own personal opinions I think you misunderstood me. You personal opinion that magazines' opinions of vehicles are bias due to revenue generated by advertisement does not count. Not your actual opinion of the vehicle. Best product does not always have biggest market share (Microsoft/Apple, betamax/VHS, etc.) Point well made. Cannot disagree with you there. I am a loyal Apple computer owner.
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 28, 2008 10:12 am) I am with you. The only way you can definitively say that something is comfortable and fits your needs is to do what I do. Climb in the back of a car and plop your behind in the seat while somebody else drives the car around. Our salesman looked at me funny because when my wife was doing the test-drive I headed straight to the 3rd row to sit. If the comfort in the least comfortable spot is good, then ther rest will be good. Then again, when my dad and I took my sister to college one year I had to spend 5 hours in one of those little folding seats behind the passenger seat in a S-10 pickup with a 10 gallon fishtank full of CDs on my lap. I did not complain, much. Many people have said that my threshold for pain and suffering is abnormally high. |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 28, 2008 9:11 am) This is nitpicky, but have you actually seen anything to verify this? I know at one time (2004-2005) premium for the FXT was only "recommended", but the manual & gas cap list it as "required" starting in MY06 (the year I bought mine) and AFAIK it has not changed since. And it's got 224 horses, not 234. But more important than anything... starting in 2010 in the U.S. the Forester will be offered with the new 2.0L boxer diesel, a powerplant which is currently getting absolutely rave reviews from Europe. How many other crossovers sold stateside will be able to boast a new, clean diesel in the next two years? Doug
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