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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 27, 2008 10:52 pm) |
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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 27, 2008 10:52 pm) Yes, magazines make money from advertising. No doubt about it. Do you have any proof that their comparos are swayed by how much advertising / money is given to the magazine for advertising purposes? This is a pretty strong claim, basically saying their reviews are bias. I'm sure I am not the only one who would like to see some proof. Personal opinion does not count. As for sales, consumers seem to think the CR-V and RAV4 are a better bet to purchase, since their sales figures just trounce Mitsu's for 2007. CRV : 218,160 RAV4: 172,752 Outlander : 14,190
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (Jan 27, 2008 8:54 pm) I don't like the double-hump over the gauges, looks like a giant brassiere. Or Madonna's bustiere.  Or maybe I just need to get my mind out of the gutter.  The console is OK, I wasn't crazy about the textures of the black plastics, but it's matte and doesn't reflect so I guess that's functional. IMHO it looks fine for the $20-25k price range, but at $30k other interiors are nicer. You could argue that's a fair trade for the extra content. The outgoing Forester was smaller, the 09 is bigger and has a lot more features. NAV, back-up cams, Sportshift controls, Siruis. On the 234hp turbo, premium is recommended but technically not required. The higher-boost version of the same engine in the Legacy actually requires premium. Doesn't matter to us because we're shopping for the base 4 cylinder engines anyway. So I would put the Outlander SE 2.4l CVT AWD up against a Forester LL Bean model (moonroof, heated leather, etc), probably without NAV. I just ordered my 3rd Garmin and they more than meet our needs. Just got a Nuvi 200W model for only $199, and that's a 4.3" widescreen. Sold my c320 for $100 so the net cost to me was just $100, plus I got new maps in the deal. Map updates cost $75 so basically I got upgraded for $25.  Backup cam is bundled with NAV, right? So that means I would not get it. Can you get a sonar backup sensor? I like your solution but you need the GPS screen first. Factory GPS is about $2 grand and updates DVD run a couple hundred. We debated the merits in this thread and most agree that's still a bit overpriced. I love gadgets but I'm cheap! PS I changed the name of the title of the msg since we're no longer discussing the CR-V.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 28, 2008 9:11 am) Backup cam and parking sensors are not part of NAV package: it's a separate dealer installed option, though I am not sure if it requires Nav system. I understand though that biscuit_xls installed an aftermarket backup cam for only $50: 10 times cheaper than OEM backup cam.
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Replying to: hoser0eh (Jan 26, 2008 10:21 am) He takes us back to the vehicle and shows us around it, talking up how it compares so well to a Lexus RX350 (how does he know the Lexus is my wife’s favorite?), only more quiet, and with room for 7 or 8. This guy is good. You just described my shopping experience with my wife when we got the Outlook. Once she saw it, nothing else would be as good in her eyes. I made a list of all the vehicles we should try out. Got people to watch the kids while we narrowed the field. I should have just drove her around to lots to just look at cars. She even found a way to complain about the Acadia. She wanted no part of the concept that they are, essentially, the same car.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 28, 2008 9:05 am) Proof? Conflict of interest is build into the system, when on one hand “expert” suppose to make an objective judgment and on the other hand suppose to please biggest advertisers, otherwise that advertiser would take his business else ware. $10 a year subscription covers only postage. Car magazines get 99% of revenue from advertising and marketing all paid my manufactures, so by nature these magazines are sales and marketing tools for manufacturers. Magazine employees are ordinary people who have mortgages, they need to pay for kids in college, and need to maintain decent lifestyle. Do you really need a “proof” that car salesman is not always objective? Or may be you have a “proof” that car salesmen are objective? >> Personal opinion does not count. Then be consistent: you should not count personal opinions of magazine “experts”, nor your own personal opinions. >>As for sales, consumers seem to think the CR-V and RAV4 are a better bet to purchase, since their sales figures just trounce Mitsu's for 2007. Best product does not always have biggest market share (Microsoft/Apple, betamax/VHS, etc.)
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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 28, 2008 9:25 am) Hmm, Subaru includes a backup cam with their GPS (per the preliminary spec sheet). Funny thing is you don't even need it! It should be the other way around, Subaru doesn't need it and Mitsubishi should include it. Sounds cheap enough to DIY. I checked Fitzgerald Mitsubishi and they have no 4 bangers in stock. Guess I have to wait to sample both of these.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 28, 2008 9:49 am) 2009 Forester? Yes, that one seems to be very nicely equipped, except fot 4-speed tranny. It would be much more expensive though. >>I checked Fitzgerald Mitsubishi and they have no 4 bangers in stock. Guess I have to wait to sample both of these. But I guess they don't have a Special Edition yet, so you would testing a basic entry level Outlander.
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Replying to: chuckhoy (Jan 28, 2008 8:16 am) We did 4 adults and two kids in full size car seats this past Summer on a 10 hour trip to NC. I heard no complaint from anyone and they all slept like babies. Oddly enough, the legroom for all 3 rows in our '06 Explorer is listed as being greater than that of your Outlook. The Outlook wins on head, shoulder, and hip room for all 3 rows however. Measurements also show that the TX legroom is greater than the Outlook's in rows 2 and 3. I guess bench height comes into play but I have to wonder why anyone would care about this stuff? They're all comfortable, and I think you're with me on this, so why split the hairs for an inch or two of legroom? Maybe it's just me because I don't really care about that stuff. I want the vehicle to drive well and do what I intend it to do which is to get me and my family from A to B safely and in relative comfort.
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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 28, 2008 9:57 am) Any how, NAV is supposed to be a stand-alone option on the LL Bean and XT Limited models only, and like I said, we're going to pass. The LL Bean should come in around $25k or so street price, retail around $27k. 4 speed auto is the only major strike I could find against the Forester. Subaru is rumored to have a CVT in the works for next model year, it just wasn't ready for the launch of the new 09 model. So looks like the Rogue, Forester, and Outlander 4 bangers will all employ CVTs. RAV4 still has a 4EAT as well, Honda a 5 speed. Santa Fe offers both 4 and 5 speeds, oddly enough. Just looked and gas mileage is lacking on the SF, so that may rule it out for us.
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