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Replying to: samf10 (Jan 27, 2008 12:38 pm) Car sites and magazines make living off car advertising and they are not always objective or consistent. I am more interested in ratings by real-world owners. Real-world owners don't market or sell cars, instead they buy them paying hard earned dollars, so I have more trust to a 100 of real people who bought a car and drive it for a few months, rather then to one magazine “expert”, who drives a brand new car from dealership just for an hour and who sometimes wants to please its biggest customer-advertiser. For instance the comparo you mention puts RAV4 and CR-V ahead of the Outlander, but the real world owners give the Outlander higher ratings consistently throughout all three major consumer rating sites: MSN Autos: 2007 Outlander - 9.5 2007 RAV4 - 8.6 2007 Honda CRV - 9.3 edmunds.com: 2007 Outlander - 9.2 2007 RAV4 - 8.9 2007 Honda CRV - 9.1 Yahoo Autos: 2007 Outlander - 4.5 2007 RAV4 - 3.5 2007 Honda CRV - 3.5
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 27, 2008 12:08 pm) Ummmmmmm, yes. My wife sits back there all the time for trips longer than 30 minutes because she can watch TV while I drive. Never heard a complaint about comfort. We also loaded it up with 4 adults and 3 kids for a 1200 mile round-trip. I did hear complaints, but they were more of the "are we there yet?" variety after hour number 5.
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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 27, 2008 10:52 pm) |
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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 27, 2008 10:52 pm) Yes, magazines make money from advertising. No doubt about it. Do you have any proof that their comparos are swayed by how much advertising / money is given to the magazine for advertising purposes? This is a pretty strong claim, basically saying their reviews are bias. I'm sure I am not the only one who would like to see some proof. Personal opinion does not count. As for sales, consumers seem to think the CR-V and RAV4 are a better bet to purchase, since their sales figures just trounce Mitsu's for 2007. CRV : 218,160 RAV4: 172,752 Outlander : 14,190
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (Jan 27, 2008 8:54 pm) I don't like the double-hump over the gauges, looks like a giant brassiere. Or Madonna's bustiere.  Or maybe I just need to get my mind out of the gutter.  The console is OK, I wasn't crazy about the textures of the black plastics, but it's matte and doesn't reflect so I guess that's functional. IMHO it looks fine for the $20-25k price range, but at $30k other interiors are nicer. You could argue that's a fair trade for the extra content. The outgoing Forester was smaller, the 09 is bigger and has a lot more features. NAV, back-up cams, Sportshift controls, Siruis. On the 234hp turbo, premium is recommended but technically not required. The higher-boost version of the same engine in the Legacy actually requires premium. Doesn't matter to us because we're shopping for the base 4 cylinder engines anyway. So I would put the Outlander SE 2.4l CVT AWD up against a Forester LL Bean model (moonroof, heated leather, etc), probably without NAV. I just ordered my 3rd Garmin and they more than meet our needs. Just got a Nuvi 200W model for only $199, and that's a 4.3" widescreen. Sold my c320 for $100 so the net cost to me was just $100, plus I got new maps in the deal. Map updates cost $75 so basically I got upgraded for $25.  Backup cam is bundled with NAV, right? So that means I would not get it. Can you get a sonar backup sensor? I like your solution but you need the GPS screen first. Factory GPS is about $2 grand and updates DVD run a couple hundred. We debated the merits in this thread and most agree that's still a bit overpriced. I love gadgets but I'm cheap! PS I changed the name of the title of the msg since we're no longer discussing the CR-V.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 28, 2008 9:11 am) Backup cam and parking sensors are not part of NAV package: it's a separate dealer installed option, though I am not sure if it requires Nav system. I understand though that biscuit_xls installed an aftermarket backup cam for only $50: 10 times cheaper than OEM backup cam.
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Replying to: hoser0eh (Jan 26, 2008 10:21 am) He takes us back to the vehicle and shows us around it, talking up how it compares so well to a Lexus RX350 (how does he know the Lexus is my wife’s favorite?), only more quiet, and with room for 7 or 8. This guy is good. You just described my shopping experience with my wife when we got the Outlook. Once she saw it, nothing else would be as good in her eyes. I made a list of all the vehicles we should try out. Got people to watch the kids while we narrowed the field. I should have just drove her around to lots to just look at cars. She even found a way to complain about the Acadia. She wanted no part of the concept that they are, essentially, the same car.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 28, 2008 9:05 am) Proof? Conflict of interest is build into the system, when on one hand “expert” suppose to make an objective judgment and on the other hand suppose to please biggest advertisers, otherwise that advertiser would take his business else ware. $10 a year subscription covers only postage. Car magazines get 99% of revenue from advertising and marketing all paid my manufactures, so by nature these magazines are sales and marketing tools for manufacturers. Magazine employees are ordinary people who have mortgages, they need to pay for kids in college, and need to maintain decent lifestyle. Do you really need a “proof” that car salesman is not always objective? Or may be you have a “proof” that car salesmen are objective? >> Personal opinion does not count. Then be consistent: you should not count personal opinions of magazine “experts”, nor your own personal opinions. >>As for sales, consumers seem to think the CR-V and RAV4 are a better bet to purchase, since their sales figures just trounce Mitsu's for 2007. Best product does not always have biggest market share (Microsoft/Apple, betamax/VHS, etc.)
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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 28, 2008 9:25 am) Hmm, Subaru includes a backup cam with their GPS (per the preliminary spec sheet). Funny thing is you don't even need it! It should be the other way around, Subaru doesn't need it and Mitsubishi should include it. Sounds cheap enough to DIY. I checked Fitzgerald Mitsubishi and they have no 4 bangers in stock. Guess I have to wait to sample both of these.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 28, 2008 9:49 am) 2009 Forester? Yes, that one seems to be very nicely equipped, except fot 4-speed tranny. It would be much more expensive though. >>I checked Fitzgerald Mitsubishi and they have no 4 bangers in stock. Guess I have to wait to sample both of these. But I guess they don't have a Special Edition yet, so you would testing a basic entry level Outlander.
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