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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Crossover Comparison continued [samf10] by hoser0eh
Jan 26, 2008 (11:51 am)
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Replying to: samf10 (Jan 26, 2008 11:11 am)

Thanks for the suggestions. I have talked on the phone with the Hyundai and Mazda dealers, but haven't arranged a test drive yet (just got salespeople names). I would be interested in your complete top 10 list, just out of curiosity.
I had not considered the Murano or RDX. I didn't think they were large enough to hold 6 comfortably, plus luggage for a long road trip. Am I correct in that assumption?
Speaking of lists, I noticed a ranking of 24 Mid-Sized SUVs on the US News site yesterday. It listed the Honda Pilot first, the Nissan Murano second, and the Buick Enclave third. Oddly, the Toyota Highlander was ranked 12th, and the Veracruz and CX9 were not yet ranked. There sure are a lot of SUV/CUV type vehicles available today.
I'll start my own list after I drive a few more vehicles.
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Re: Honda CRV [ateixeira] by chelentano
Jan 26, 2008 (12:14 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 25, 2008 5:32 pm)

>> Why paddle shifters if it's a CVT? I never got that. You build a transmission capable of choosing an optimum ratio for any condition, then you take away that benefit and create artificial shifts.
 
Paddle shifters are there as convenience for manual mode, just as steering wheel based stereo controls are there for convenience and safer driving. For some consumers it's also an image thing: manufacturers used to put paddle shifters mainly on racing cars. Regardless how good is the CVT, it has no human input and it's completely computerized. On the other hand, the Outlander manual mode allows you to exactly simulate manual transmission and to apply your own personal driving style even thought there are no gears. And you can go from manual mode to auto and back to manual anytime on fly.
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>> A question, though, my Buyer's Guide says if you get NAV you lose the CD changer and can only load one CD, is that right? I guess you have to load the songs to the hard drive? Seems like extra work.
 
Somewhat it’s a space issue and somewhat there is less need for a changer. With Mitsubishi navigation and multi-communication system you have so many entertainment choices: music server content, AM/FM radio, Sirius radio, perhaps external iPod connected to car stereo, bluetooth phone, DVD video, CD audio. The DVD disk actually has a capacity of 4.7GB so you probably could fit about 5-10,000 mp3 tracks which is a capacity of multiple CDs.
 
Also I would not consider loading CD to the hard drive as "extra work". It can load your CDs to the music server automatically while you drive and listen to that CD.
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Re: Crossover Comparison continued [hoser0eh] by nxs138
Jan 26, 2008 (12:14 pm)
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Replying to: hoser0eh (Jan 26, 2008 10:21 am)

The Enclave is a very nice vehicle. I'd probably go between that and the Mazda CX-9 as your choices (once you drive the CX-9, of course), with a nod to the Enclave if the benchmark is a RX-350.
 
Things my wife and I liked about the Enclave:
1. Smooth/quiet drive
2. Nice looking
3. Roomy inside, easy access to all rows (with captains chairs)
 
Things we didn't like so much:
1. Body roll
2. Not very peppy as compared to everything else we drove
3. Laggy transmission
 
We have decided against buying a 2008 Lambda because of issues that carried over from the 2007 models. I hear that the 2009 Enclave will get new transmission algorithm that can't be implemented in the 2008 model, and maybe a direct injection engine that will give it much needed HP. That would likely seal the deal for us, but right now we prefer the CX-9 for its smooth transmission and sporty demeanor.
 
Check out this website to get more info on pros and cons: Enclave forums
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Re: Crossover Comparison continued [nxs138] by hoser0eh
Jan 26, 2008 (1:33 pm)
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Replying to: nxs138 (Jan 26, 2008 12:14 pm)

Thanks for the information. That's why we need to test these vehicles several times each; so we can check out things we missed the first time. I did not try any sharp turns to check out body role in either the Highlander or the Enclave yet. In 'normal' drving, I felt the Enclave was superior to the Highander in handling and steering feel. I thought both vehicles seemed 'peppy' enough (edge to the Highlander), but I didn't really push either one to check how they react when you really need them to go. I also remember that the Highlander's visiblity was good, but I didn't pay attention to it in the Enclave. Must do that next time. And I didn't notice any transmission lag in the Enclave, which seems to be a fairly common problem for some Lambda owners. I'll need to try it on some hilly terrain to see how it reacts.
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TX and over CUV's by vad1819
Jan 26, 2008 (4:22 pm)
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It's my personal review after visited DC auto show today.
So, Ford had displayed couple TX's. I check it out Eddie Bauer edition.
I have sited driver seat, adjusted seat so it will comfortable for me (6'0"). Then I sited in second row seat (bench, surprising for Eddie Bauer ed.), so my knees was against front seat. The second row seats couldn't be adjusted, another surprised for me. So TX has less space between front seat and second, even numbers saying different, then GM CUV's, CX-9, Highlander. The Flex looks same as a TX inside.
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Re: Crossover Comparison continued [hoser0eh] by bobw3
Jan 26, 2008 (7:46 pm)
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Replying to: hoser0eh (Jan 26, 2008 10:21 am)

I'll bet the Enclave is the winner, especially if price isn't too much of an issue. from my post 5237...
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Re: TX and over CUV's [vad1819] by bobw3
Jan 26, 2008 (7:50 pm)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 26, 2008 4:22 pm)

much of the TX legroom is in seat height.
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Re: TX and over CUV's [bobw3] by vad1819
Jan 27, 2008 (7:42 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 26, 2008 7:50 pm)

Also, I had surprised that Q7 has not much space on third row and behind it. The third row has as much or even less space as Highlander.
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Re: Crossover Comparison continued [hoser0eh] by zman3
Jan 27, 2008 (8:15 am)
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Replying to: hoser0eh (Jan 26, 2008 10:21 am)

An an owner of an Enclave I would say your assessments of the vehicle match mine. Our final choices came down to the CX-9 and the Enclave/Acadia.
 
Due to Mazda's way of optioning the vehicle it fell off our list after a test drive. I don't recall specifically the issue but IIRC the HID headlights were only available on the model with the 20" wheels, or something like that. I thought the CX-9 was a little stiff in that configuration. The CX-9 did have a pretty clear price advantage, once again IIRC.
 
For us, the Enclave was the clear winner over the Acadia. We liked the styling, the interior and the sound level better than the Acadia. Given how we optioned ours the MSRP was within a couple of hundred bucks of each other. Throw in the extra year of warranty and the Enclave was the clear winner for us.
 
One thing to note: with the curvaceous styling of the Enclave you can not get a 4 foot wide object in the rear, but you can in the Acadia. Additionally. believe it or not, I can not get our golf bags in the back width wise. I find that rather ironic given Buick's use of Tiger Woods in their ads.
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Re: Crossover Comparison continued [zman3] by vad1819
Jan 27, 2008 (8:56 am)
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Replying to: zman3 (Jan 27, 2008 8:15 am)

"I find that rather ironic given Buick's use of Tiger Woods in their ads."
 
Its funny. Yesterday, i have watch some golf championship, where Tiger was played and during commercials breaks was Enclave commercial.

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