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Re: Honda CRV [biscuit_xls] by vad1819
Jan 25, 2008 (6:17 am)
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (Jan 24, 2008 10:46 pm)

That was my point too.I had 97' maxima and we took trip to Poconos mountains, the car went easily any climb, compare to my previous car altima 4 cyc. Overall V-6 better, smoother, less switching gears engine.
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Re: Honda CRV [biscuit_xls] by ateixeira
Jan 25, 2008 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (Jan 24, 2008 12:12 pm)

If you're going to use the third row a lot then you should probably choose a larger vehicle.
 
IMHO if you use it at all you should consider a larger vehicle.
 
That's what we did, we have our big car, and now we're shopping for a compact crossover/wagon/SUV/dogsled whatever.
 
I would consider an Outlander, but only the 5 seat model. I plan to check it out at the DC Auto Show this weekend, along with competitors.
 
Looks like only the ES model comes with the base 2.4l engine/CVT? That would be a shame. You pretty much lose all the cool options.
 
For us this will be my wife's commuter/errands car. Doesn't need to be big, just big enough for 4, 5 on occasion, not too much gear (we use the big vehicle for that). If you've driven on the DC Beltway you'll understand why my wife wants an automatic this time, and something fuel efficient, so we're looking for a good 4 banger that is fun to drive, easy to park, nimble, and safe.
 
I may end up going on Sunday, anyone else in the DC area going?
 
http://www.washingtonautoshow.org/
 
Who knows, you might meet your Representative there...
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Re: Honda CRV [ateixeira] by biscuit_xls
Jan 25, 2008 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 25, 2008 6:51 am)

I think that's a bit extreme. Let's face it, you're sitting closer to the side windows than the passengers in the third row are to the rear hatch. So if you get hit from the side you'll probably get hurt as well, even with side impact airbags.
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Re: Honda CRV [biscuit_xls] by ateixeira
Jan 25, 2008 (10:29 am)
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (Jan 25, 2008 10:12 am)

At least there are crash tests to tell us how the passengers fare in side impacts.
 
Outlander got 5 stars from NHTSA for that passenger (which is where my kid sits), so that's good. I didn't see an IIHS result, though, looks like it wasn't tested. Why not?
 
Forester also scores well in side impacts, in both NHTSA and IIHS tests, and that was before it even got side curtain air bags (new for 2009). I expect the new one to ace those tests.
 
I think that we'll see a few of these 3rd rows begin to disappear when they start regulating and/or crash testing safety in rear collisions.
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Re: Honda CRV [biscuit_xls] by volkov
Jan 25, 2008 (10:37 am)
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (Jan 25, 2008 10:12 am)

Well, in some of those smaller 3 row vehicles, my head is on the glass or headliner, so it is closer. Your point is well taken, but those side airbags can make a big impact on damage scores in testing. Being in the biz, side impacts are the worst moderate speed collisions we see from an injury standpoint. On the one hand, I have some faith that more steel impact beams have been added to reinforce these new rear ends given their proximity to the passenger. On the other hand I remember that rear crash test many years ago (on the Dodge Caravan I think) where the rear hatch flew open and the seat came loose.
In the end, a rear collision test can only be good from a safety standpoint. The extent of side intrusion beams only became standard after the side impact tests were adopted and results publicized. If any of these vehicles are lacking in rear protection, the market will force it to quickly be addressed.
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Re: Honda CRV [volkov] by ateixeira
Jan 25, 2008 (10:40 am)
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Replying to: volkov (Jan 25, 2008 10:37 am)

Well said.
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Re: Honda CRV [volkov] by chuckhoy
Jan 25, 2008 (10:45 am)
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Replying to: volkov (Jan 25, 2008 10:37 am)

Yet another advantage of being short. I have no worries about having my head rest on the rear hatch of any CUV/SUV/van.
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Re: Honda CRV [chuckhoy] by ateixeira
Jan 25, 2008 (10:47 am)
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Replying to: chuckhoy (Jan 25, 2008 10:45 am)

C&D said Mitsubishi actually limits 3rd row passenger height to 5'2", something like that. So to be fair, you're really not supposed to put adults there anyway.
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Outlander Special Edition by chelentano
Jan 25, 2008 (2:41 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 25, 2008 6:51 am)

>> Looks like only the ES model comes with the base 2.4l engine/CVT? That would be a shame. You pretty much lose all the cool options.
 
Not only ES. A second 2.4-liter model, the new Outlander Special Edition arrives in early 2008. The Outlander SE combines the economy of the new 4-cylinder engine and CVT with amenities from the premium XLS model, plus exclusive new interior and exterior features. Driving performance in the Outlander SE is enhanced by Sportronic® shifting with magnesium steering wheel paddle shifters or console shift, as in the Outlander XLS model. Like the XLS model, the Outlander SE is equipped with 18-inch alloy wheels. The FAST Key entry system, standard on LS and XLS models, is also standard on the Special Edition.
 
The Outlander Special Edition excels in onboard entertainment. Offered as standard, the 650-watt (max.) Rockford-Fosgate® Premium Audio system features digital signal processing and nine speakers, including a rear subwoofer. This high-end audio package, which is optional on the Outlander XLS, includes SIRIUS® Satellite Radio with six month pre-paid subscription.
 
Exclusive to the Outlander 2.4 SE are new interior door panel trim and chrome door handles, chrome-accented exterior door handles and side sills, mesh fabric seats with leather bolsters, and high-contrast instrument gauges. Some Outlander SE features will be available on other Outlander models for 2009.
 
So it seems SE model is actually is even better equipped vs. XLE model, and unlike XLE, the SE comes with Rokford Fosgate premium stereo standard.
 
http://www.ajc.com/ajccars/content/ajccars/content/stories/2008/01/09/carmitsubi- shi_0112.html
http://media.mitsubishicars.com/detail?mid=MIT2007111569663&mime=ASC
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Re: Honda CRV [ateixeira] by freealfas
Jan 25, 2008 (3:32 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 25, 2008 10:47 am)

that couldn't be more naive, how do you "limit" the height of an occupant for a test, end user or otherwise? someone dies in the 3rd row of a crash, mitsu gets sued, their defense, well after further review of the case we found the deceased to be 5'3 and taller than the 5'2 design limits we placed on ourselves to design the safety areas of the 3rd row.
 
cars are not amusement park rides with an attendant checking the hight of riders. unless of course they come one comes as a no cost option and they just take up residence with you and the family going with you everywhere so you are verified as in compliance allowing you to fully sue mitsu in the event of a death or injury back there.

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