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Re: Honda CRV [biscuit_xls] by thegraduate
Jan 24, 2008 (1:12 pm)
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (Jan 24, 2008 12:12 pm)

Writing off all 4-cylinder engines because they are rougher would be just as fair as me writing off Front-Drive V6 vehicles because of torque steer.
 
Not all are created equal.
 
I for one have a 2.4L 4-cyl, basically identical to the one in the CR-V (2006 Accord, 166hp). It is easily as smooth as some V6 engines (like the ones in the old GM engine family). It doesn't make the CR-V fast, and some want that. No problem there from me - it's consumer's choice. It doesn't vibrate, regardless of A/C. A lot has to do with motor mounts.
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Re: Queasy about buying an Acadia [blufz1] by bobe1
Jan 24, 2008 (2:18 pm)
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Replying to: blufz1 (Jan 24, 2008 11:34 am)

Your reply resonated with me. My second choice is to buy the 08 Pilot (a 5 year old design that has an excellent record for reliability and safety. But their new model will be out in a few months. Functionally it may be more like an Acadia, but I know nothing but rumors. I thought the Pilot 3rd row not as accessible as the Acadia, but it was better than the Highlander which is narrower in width. The Pilot has lots of acceleration, but gas mileage suffers.
 
Both my wife and I were attracted to the Acadia, and slightly repulsed by the Pilot. But I can still be happy with the Pilot, since I bought an ugly Ford Aerostar in 95 against the advice of my wife and daughter. It has been very reliable. And my daughter once borrowed it to take the girls to Vegas.
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Re: Queasy about buying an Acadia [blufz1] by bobw3
Jan 24, 2008 (3:02 pm)
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Replying to: blufz1 (Jan 24, 2008 11:34 am)

Honda has a new Accord based Suv coming out sized between the CRV and the Pilot
 
Do you you have a weblink with this info?
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Re: Honda CRV [volkov] by bobw3
Jan 24, 2008 (3:06 pm)
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Replying to: volkov (Jan 24, 2008 11:41 am)

Yes, when you know someone killed in an auto accident, then you tend to shy away from those types of vehicles. A friend of mine had a friend killed in a SUV that flipped and they would never buy any vehicle that sits "high-up" like an SUV.
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Re: Honda CRV [bobw3] by volkov
Jan 24, 2008 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 24, 2008 3:06 pm)

Actually not the case here. I may have been misleading. They had a minivan - the issue was a high speed rear-end collision not the vehicle. More accurate is that we consider those accidents as possible, and maybe as a variation on your point, would never let the kids sit in a seat without a head-rest.
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Re: Honda CRV [thegraduate] by biscuit_xls
Jan 24, 2008 (10:46 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 24, 2008 1:12 pm)

I didn't write off 4 cylinder engines, I own a 4 cylinder Honda S2000 and a 4 cylinder Honda Accord and I'm happy with them.
 
But I test drove all of the competing CUV's several times and found that the 4 cylinder RAV-4 and CR-V felt rough and underpowered compared to the V6 RAV-4 and V6 Outlander. And the fuel economy wasn't very different in all of the real-world data that I could find. Even the price wasn't significantly different when similarly equipped.
 
I don't race my Outlander so 1 second faster 0-60 times aren't a big deal, but for me it's more enjoyable for the vehicle to easily merge onto the freeway and climb up hills when loaded with passengers. The V6 with 6-speed is a really nice combination, you should try one.
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Re: Honda CRV [biscuit_xls] by vad1819
Jan 25, 2008 (6:17 am)
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (Jan 24, 2008 10:46 pm)

That was my point too.I had 97' maxima and we took trip to Poconos mountains, the car went easily any climb, compare to my previous car altima 4 cyc. Overall V-6 better, smoother, less switching gears engine.
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Re: Honda CRV [biscuit_xls] by ateixeira
Jan 25, 2008 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (Jan 24, 2008 12:12 pm)

If you're going to use the third row a lot then you should probably choose a larger vehicle.
 
IMHO if you use it at all you should consider a larger vehicle.
 
That's what we did, we have our big car, and now we're shopping for a compact crossover/wagon/SUV/dogsled whatever.
 
I would consider an Outlander, but only the 5 seat model. I plan to check it out at the DC Auto Show this weekend, along with competitors.
 
Looks like only the ES model comes with the base 2.4l engine/CVT? That would be a shame. You pretty much lose all the cool options.
 
For us this will be my wife's commuter/errands car. Doesn't need to be big, just big enough for 4, 5 on occasion, not too much gear (we use the big vehicle for that). If you've driven on the DC Beltway you'll understand why my wife wants an automatic this time, and something fuel efficient, so we're looking for a good 4 banger that is fun to drive, easy to park, nimble, and safe.
 
I may end up going on Sunday, anyone else in the DC area going?
 
http://www.washingtonautoshow.org/
 
Who knows, you might meet your Representative there...
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Re: Honda CRV [ateixeira] by biscuit_xls
Jan 25, 2008 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 25, 2008 6:51 am)

I think that's a bit extreme. Let's face it, you're sitting closer to the side windows than the passengers in the third row are to the rear hatch. So if you get hit from the side you'll probably get hurt as well, even with side impact airbags.
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Re: Honda CRV [biscuit_xls] by ateixeira
Jan 25, 2008 (10:29 am)
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (Jan 25, 2008 10:12 am)

At least there are crash tests to tell us how the passengers fare in side impacts.
 
Outlander got 5 stars from NHTSA for that passenger (which is where my kid sits), so that's good. I didn't see an IIHS result, though, looks like it wasn't tested. Why not?
 
Forester also scores well in side impacts, in both NHTSA and IIHS tests, and that was before it even got side curtain air bags (new for 2009). I expect the new one to ace those tests.
 
I think that we'll see a few of these 3rd rows begin to disappear when they start regulating and/or crash testing safety in rear collisions.

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