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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Honda CRV [bobw3] by ateixeira
Jan 24, 2008 (11:40 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 24, 2008 11:32 am)

1998 Forester.
 
It had just begun to rain, someone in front of me spun out, and that caused a chain reaction of short stops. I had no problem stopping, but...
 
The Saturn sedan behind me did.
 
My rear bumper was toast, plus one taillight and some damage to the rear quarter. She hit me hard enough to push me forward several feet.
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Re: Honda CRV [bobw3] by volkov
Jan 24, 2008 (11:41 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 24, 2008 9:11 am)

True those accidents are rare, but when you know someone who lost a child to a rear-end collision, then you find yourself paying much more attention to that detail. We do know someone who experienced that tragedy. Ruled out the Mazda and Rondo as soon as my wife saw them. I am honestly concerned that the stats on rear end injuries will start to rise given so many afterthought rear seats. What worries me is actually that as the rear crumples and absorbs, that children be crushed between seatbelt and seat if the seat pushes forward, but the outboard seatbelts remain stable. Even at low speed city driving, my neighbour's Caddy had the rear pushed in over 2 feet when hit at a light.
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Re: Queasy about buying an Acadia [nxs138] by bobe1
Jan 24, 2008 (12:09 pm)
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Replying to: nxs138 (Jan 24, 2008 8:03 am)

Thanks for the reply. I don't think that I can wait for the 09 Acadia. Given GMs history of new model problems, I would have to wait into next year for the production to produce trouble free Acadias. This may be a good time to buy given that they have (we hope) solved the problems. The 08 is the second year for that design, although 07 was a short year. The 09 would be the first year again depending on the number of changes. It sounds like the 08 AWD still has bothersome shifting, but FWD is OK.
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Re: Honda CRV [bobw3] by biscuit_xls
Jan 24, 2008 (12:12 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 24, 2008 10:19 am)

Maybe because the chance of getting hit directly in the rear at high speed is pretty rare there haven't been any high speed tests.
 
Plus, the amount of time driving around with people in the third row is probably less than 10%. If you're going to use the third row a lot then you should probably choose a larger vehicle.
 
Regarding the smoothness of I4 engines, it's not just about how smooth they are at redline. It's fairly common for an I4 car to have a rough idle, especially with an automatic transmission with the AC on.
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Re: Honda CRV [biscuit_xls] by thegraduate
Jan 24, 2008 (1:12 pm)
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (Jan 24, 2008 12:12 pm)

Writing off all 4-cylinder engines because they are rougher would be just as fair as me writing off Front-Drive V6 vehicles because of torque steer.
 
Not all are created equal.
 
I for one have a 2.4L 4-cyl, basically identical to the one in the CR-V (2006 Accord, 166hp). It is easily as smooth as some V6 engines (like the ones in the old GM engine family). It doesn't make the CR-V fast, and some want that. No problem there from me - it's consumer's choice. It doesn't vibrate, regardless of A/C. A lot has to do with motor mounts.
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Re: Queasy about buying an Acadia [blufz1] by bobe1
Jan 24, 2008 (2:18 pm)
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Replying to: blufz1 (Jan 24, 2008 11:34 am)

Your reply resonated with me. My second choice is to buy the 08 Pilot (a 5 year old design that has an excellent record for reliability and safety. But their new model will be out in a few months. Functionally it may be more like an Acadia, but I know nothing but rumors. I thought the Pilot 3rd row not as accessible as the Acadia, but it was better than the Highlander which is narrower in width. The Pilot has lots of acceleration, but gas mileage suffers.
 
Both my wife and I were attracted to the Acadia, and slightly repulsed by the Pilot. But I can still be happy with the Pilot, since I bought an ugly Ford Aerostar in 95 against the advice of my wife and daughter. It has been very reliable. And my daughter once borrowed it to take the girls to Vegas.
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Re: Queasy about buying an Acadia [blufz1] by bobw3
Jan 24, 2008 (3:02 pm)
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Replying to: blufz1 (Jan 24, 2008 11:34 am)

Honda has a new Accord based Suv coming out sized between the CRV and the Pilot
 
Do you you have a weblink with this info?
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Re: Honda CRV [volkov] by bobw3
Jan 24, 2008 (3:06 pm)
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Replying to: volkov (Jan 24, 2008 11:41 am)

Yes, when you know someone killed in an auto accident, then you tend to shy away from those types of vehicles. A friend of mine had a friend killed in a SUV that flipped and they would never buy any vehicle that sits "high-up" like an SUV.
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Re: Honda CRV [bobw3] by volkov
Jan 24, 2008 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 24, 2008 3:06 pm)

Actually not the case here. I may have been misleading. They had a minivan - the issue was a high speed rear-end collision not the vehicle. More accurate is that we consider those accidents as possible, and maybe as a variation on your point, would never let the kids sit in a seat without a head-rest.
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Re: Honda CRV [thegraduate] by biscuit_xls
Jan 24, 2008 (10:46 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 24, 2008 1:12 pm)

I didn't write off 4 cylinder engines, I own a 4 cylinder Honda S2000 and a 4 cylinder Honda Accord and I'm happy with them.
 
But I test drove all of the competing CUV's several times and found that the 4 cylinder RAV-4 and CR-V felt rough and underpowered compared to the V6 RAV-4 and V6 Outlander. And the fuel economy wasn't very different in all of the real-world data that I could find. Even the price wasn't significantly different when similarly equipped.
 
I don't race my Outlander so 1 second faster 0-60 times aren't a big deal, but for me it's more enjoyable for the vehicle to easily merge onto the freeway and climb up hills when loaded with passengers. The V6 with 6-speed is a really nice combination, you should try one.

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